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O.o oh, fic comment wank.
I'm not gonna link to it, but apparently a part of fandom is all aflutter because someone tried to pass down the laws of Commenting On Fic according to Themselves? Or something.
Anyway, since passing fandom-wide laws is obnoxious as fuck, here's my personal laws of commenting on fic... (because it's totally not obnoxious when it's area-limited. Yeah. Or something. u.u-b )
Do you feel like commenting ?
- Yes. => Alright! Go ahead and comment. ^.^
- No. => Alright! Go ahead and don't comment. ^.^
Do you feel like being a douche?
=> Stop it.
Tadahh.
Considering I don't look at page views, and even if I did, I can't somehow divine how many just clicked to glance at it and then went "not my cup of tea", or how many went "crap it's long, I have no time, I'll read later" and how many went "aw hell I'm gonna have to switch to the other computer" and how many went "hey, I read it the other day but now there are comments and I want to read those as well, I'm gonna come back a couple times", I can guarantee I have NO CLUE how many people read and *gasp* don't review.
Nor do I give a damn. I know there'll be a certain percentage of lurkers. So what? I lurk too. I lurk SOOO much you guys have no idea. So in the interest of not going 'splodies with hypocrisy...
Am I getting used to seeing some of you comment pretty regularly? You're damn right I am.
Do I recognize your names on sight and go "eee so and so commented again" and love you a little bit? Yep.
Do I feel abandoned/cheated/like I messed up that story and you won't heeeelp meeee waugh when for some personal reason of your own, you don't/can't/forget to/don't wanna comment one day?
... do I come across as that much of a douche?
Minimum comment length!!! >:(
... I would love at least a smiley. .__.; because smilies are pretty awesome. 9.9 I can type them all day, for srs. u.u-b
Anyway, so long as it's easy to see where your comment is coming from, even three letters can be fine. If I'm writing a humor fic, go ahead with the LOLs and the cackling icons. I mean, that would be a little bare, but as long as it's not stuff I'd need to be telepathic to get, I'm not going to feel spammed. (oh, there was this one time I got "^^;" as a review. You're damn right it annoyed me. what the fuck does that meeeeeean. Apparently it was a "Oh, usually I don't like this pairing at all but you're making me like it a little bit but I don't like that I'm liking it" ^^; . Uh, alright? what the everloving fuck.)
'course I would love to see at least a small sentence, or even two, or *gasp* THREE PAGES :DDDDDD omgbweeflailflail. But "I would love" =/= "you have to".
So long as I understand what you're getting at in relation to the fic, go ahead.
replying to someone's comment without replying to the fic!
"Agreed!", "This makes me think of TANGENT", and "I don't think so because X" are perfectly fine.
Unrelated-to-the-fic comments, well, I have to admit it makes me wonder what happened, that you read the whole fic... and then the whole comments section... and the only thing you found worth commenting on was someone else's aside/icon. But unless I'm having a sucky day it's going to make me "hnn" all of one minute. Unless you're being obnoxious or not respecting the person you're talking with (which = instant RAAAAA), I'm probably not even going to say anything about it.
Concrit!
1. Remember the "constructive" bit. If you're just criticizing out of wanting to get your bitch on, I'm just gonna roll my eyes and skip it.
2. That's... pretty much it?
Now in the interest of fair warning... I am secretly a very sensitive princess and will be quite :'( if I get some types of crit. For example, grammar and spelling = yay! because I know I don't have a natural sense of them, so any help is welcome. Or "um, that's a very confusing/run-on sentence, just saying!", okay then, that's easily fixable. Messing up on big story themes or important, "you should have known that!!" background details or IC/OOC behavior or plotting or "are you aware you're sending the message that/coming across as..." or "hey didn't you say X was dead, so why is he around to do critical for plot! Y thing?" stupidity = WAUUUUGH.
Thankfully I eventually get over it. But I have this tendency of taking some time to brood on the crit first. It's very likely eventually I'll go "curses! they're totally right. Rewrite time, sob sob."
... It's also been known to happen that I'll sometimes, um, forget to reply to the crit. .___.;;;;
It's not because I'm angry with you for daring to crit. (srsly if I ever do that, kick my ass. I'll need it.) I've read it, I've thought about itobsessively, for a couple of years... XD I might have agreed with everything or just part of it or none of it... I just really suck when it comes to answering all of my comments, whether they contain concrit or not.
Sometimes you'll see half the comments answered, and some not, pretty much at random. Because I didn't start in chronological order, I started with the ones that were easy to answer, the ones I didn't need to spend some time considering my reply to. And then, well, sometimes other stuff happens to push it out of my mind and I never do answer. I'm not snubbing you. It's a personal failing, bad memory, lack of organization, blahblahblah maybe I'll do it tomorrow blahblah Bad Procrastinating Asuka is Bad and Procrastinating. But guaranteed I've read every single one.
-- anyway. I might whine to myself and/or unfortunate friends who didn't run away fast enough if I get some types of concrit. But it's on me for being ~delicate~, not on you for not having wrapped me up in enough layers of cotton fluff.
In my view, fics are presents the writer gives the fandom. Some people write for social purposes, to be part of fandom, and don't care for writing as a craft otherwise. Some probably write the story for yourselves indeed, because you want to practice your skills or it needs to be told or whatnot. But if you're posting it, you can't decently say "I write for myself!!!" is your only motive.
That's why it pisses me off so much when people DEMAND I write something. You don't DEMAND to be given a gift. That's like wetting something dry!
But reviews = also presents.
You don't demand to be given a present. You just give, and hopefully it'll be returned, and maybe it won't, and if you're writing for social purposes I guess it's a bummer for you, but if you're only giving in the spirit of "I only did that so I'd have something in return! You owe me!" then, um, sucks to be you, and let me make a note to never comment on anything of yours ever again.
The only obligation I'll be cross at you for forgetting is "don't be a douche."
So if you guys want to comment on my stuff, yay! I shall love you. If not, for whatever reason, then, alright. No problem. You don't owe me anything. I don't owe you anything. It's a festival of not owing a thing! (apart from not being a douche.) Lurk at will! I'll be in my bunk, lurking away.
Anyway, since passing fandom-wide laws is obnoxious as fuck, here's my personal laws of commenting on fic... (because it's totally not obnoxious when it's area-limited. Yeah. Or something. u.u-b )
Do you feel like commenting ?
- Yes. => Alright! Go ahead and comment. ^.^
- No. => Alright! Go ahead and don't comment. ^.^
Do you feel like being a douche?
=> Stop it.
Tadahh.
Considering I don't look at page views, and even if I did, I can't somehow divine how many just clicked to glance at it and then went "not my cup of tea", or how many went "crap it's long, I have no time, I'll read later" and how many went "aw hell I'm gonna have to switch to the other computer" and how many went "hey, I read it the other day but now there are comments and I want to read those as well, I'm gonna come back a couple times", I can guarantee I have NO CLUE how many people read and *gasp* don't review.
Nor do I give a damn. I know there'll be a certain percentage of lurkers. So what? I lurk too. I lurk SOOO much you guys have no idea. So in the interest of not going 'splodies with hypocrisy...
Am I getting used to seeing some of you comment pretty regularly? You're damn right I am.
Do I recognize your names on sight and go "eee so and so commented again" and love you a little bit? Yep.
Do I feel abandoned/cheated/like I messed up that story and you won't heeeelp meeee waugh when for some personal reason of your own, you don't/can't/forget to/don't wanna comment one day?
... do I come across as that much of a douche?
Minimum comment length!!! >:(
... I would love at least a smiley. .__.; because smilies are pretty awesome. 9.9 I can type them all day, for srs. u.u-b
Anyway, so long as it's easy to see where your comment is coming from, even three letters can be fine. If I'm writing a humor fic, go ahead with the LOLs and the cackling icons. I mean, that would be a little bare, but as long as it's not stuff I'd need to be telepathic to get, I'm not going to feel spammed. (oh, there was this one time I got "^^;" as a review. You're damn right it annoyed me. what the fuck does that meeeeeean. Apparently it was a "Oh, usually I don't like this pairing at all but you're making me like it a little bit but I don't like that I'm liking it" ^^; . Uh, alright? what the everloving fuck.)
'course I would love to see at least a small sentence, or even two, or *gasp* THREE PAGES :DDDDDD omgbweeflailflail. But "I would love" =/= "you have to".
So long as I understand what you're getting at in relation to the fic, go ahead.
replying to someone's comment without replying to the fic!
"Agreed!", "This makes me think of TANGENT", and "I don't think so because X" are perfectly fine.
Unrelated-to-the-fic comments, well, I have to admit it makes me wonder what happened, that you read the whole fic... and then the whole comments section... and the only thing you found worth commenting on was someone else's aside/icon. But unless I'm having a sucky day it's going to make me "hnn" all of one minute. Unless you're being obnoxious or not respecting the person you're talking with (which = instant RAAAAA), I'm probably not even going to say anything about it.
Concrit!
1. Remember the "constructive" bit. If you're just criticizing out of wanting to get your bitch on, I'm just gonna roll my eyes and skip it.
2. That's... pretty much it?
Now in the interest of fair warning... I am secretly a very sensitive princess and will be quite :'( if I get some types of crit. For example, grammar and spelling = yay! because I know I don't have a natural sense of them, so any help is welcome. Or "um, that's a very confusing/run-on sentence, just saying!", okay then, that's easily fixable. Messing up on big story themes or important, "you should have known that!!" background details or IC/OOC behavior or plotting or "are you aware you're sending the message that/coming across as..." or "hey didn't you say X was dead, so why is he around to do critical for plot! Y thing?" stupidity = WAUUUUGH.
Thankfully I eventually get over it. But I have this tendency of taking some time to brood on the crit first. It's very likely eventually I'll go "curses! they're totally right. Rewrite time, sob sob."
... It's also been known to happen that I'll sometimes, um, forget to reply to the crit. .___.;;;;
It's not because I'm angry with you for daring to crit. (srsly if I ever do that, kick my ass. I'll need it.) I've read it, I've thought about it
Sometimes you'll see half the comments answered, and some not, pretty much at random. Because I didn't start in chronological order, I started with the ones that were easy to answer, the ones I didn't need to spend some time considering my reply to. And then, well, sometimes other stuff happens to push it out of my mind and I never do answer. I'm not snubbing you. It's a personal failing, bad memory, lack of organization, blahblahblah maybe I'll do it tomorrow blahblah Bad Procrastinating Asuka is Bad and Procrastinating. But guaranteed I've read every single one.
-- anyway. I might whine to myself and/or unfortunate friends who didn't run away fast enough if I get some types of concrit. But it's on me for being ~delicate~, not on you for not having wrapped me up in enough layers of cotton fluff.
In my view, fics are presents the writer gives the fandom. Some people write for social purposes, to be part of fandom, and don't care for writing as a craft otherwise. Some probably write the story for yourselves indeed, because you want to practice your skills or it needs to be told or whatnot. But if you're posting it, you can't decently say "I write for myself!!!" is your only motive.
That's why it pisses me off so much when people DEMAND I write something. You don't DEMAND to be given a gift. That's like wetting something dry!
But reviews = also presents.
You don't demand to be given a present. You just give, and hopefully it'll be returned, and maybe it won't, and if you're writing for social purposes I guess it's a bummer for you, but if you're only giving in the spirit of "I only did that so I'd have something in return! You owe me!" then, um, sucks to be you, and let me make a note to never comment on anything of yours ever again.
The only obligation I'll be cross at you for forgetting is "don't be a douche."
So if you guys want to comment on my stuff, yay! I shall love you. If not, for whatever reason, then, alright. No problem. You don't owe me anything. I don't owe you anything. It's a festival of not owing a thing! (apart from not being a douche.) Lurk at will! I'll be in my bunk, lurking away.
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"In my view, fics are presents the writer gives the fandom... But reviews = also presents."
I completely agree. That's why when I read awesome stories I always comment - if not the first time I read it then the second or third. I send thank you notes when I get presents in the outside world, so why wouldn't I at least acknowledge the gift of a great fic? Hence why I tend to give long rambly comments that probably make some writers go "wtf is this girl on, oh well, at least she liked the story". I try not to fangirl too much over art/fics or their artists/authors, too, out of respect.
One thing I don't like so much is receiving the gift of a favorite on a site like DA, but not getting a comment from that person. It's kind of a "Yay, this person enjoyed my story! I wonder what they liked about it though..." I guess it just bugs me a little because it's more impersonal. I'd take a one sentence comment over a favorite any day, because I like talking with people with whom I share a common interest. The high favorite to comment ratio I get doesn't bother me much, but it's something I've thought about.
I also love concrits. My favorite one was "I think the weakest point was the dialogue...The dialogue, and the way emotions or thoughts were bluntly stated so often felt a little generic". I had been worrying about that with a story, and I was SO GLAD to have someone confirm it. I still kind of fail at dialogue, but I -like- being told the truth.
Wow, that was a long comment, and pretty self-centered... hopefully not in too bad of a way. I write too many words in your journal entries... Oh wait, that's a good thing if it's a comment on a story (as long as it's not just a babble!)
~Sara
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In your case though, yeah, that must suck hardcore. Is there any way to meet people before the lessons start or are you going to have to wait another week? (it was a week, right? >> my memory sucks) gah. I hope you meet interesting people there, because being around people but not connecting with them has to be even worse. @__@ Anyway, I added you to my AIM list in case we somehow end up online at the same time. XD; I keep weird hours so i'm not sure when I'll see you, though. For example two days ago I was up from two AM to three PM, then the nex day from five AM to eleven PM, and then I crashed for 13 hours in one go. Mergh.
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It's a bit late now to go out meeting people - I have some orientation stuff on Tuesday and classes start Wednesday. It's my fault, really, for not seeking out others, but all of the clubs that would hold my interest haven't started meeting yet, so my only real option would be to join a bike club and I can't really ride well and am embarrassed about it... So I'm just waiting til Tuesday. I hope I can connect with people, because you're right, it's weird being around people but not really having anything in common with them or having friendship potential.
I don't know, I just have a tendency to hang around and mope rather than be proactive. It's been especially hard because my boyfriend of four and a half years is 2700 miles away, and it's because I decided to go to this school. I miss him and feel like an idiot for deciding to move so far away for two years. Bleh.
Aww, thanks for adding me on AIM... I don't use it though, so you probably won't see me unless I decide to wander back after 4 years of not being on there due to deciding to break the addiction to not fail classes. You do keep weird hours!!! How does life let you do that?? I've been sleeping too much - sometimes being up 9Am to 8PM and waking up at 9 again... last night I was up til 2 and woke up today at 10:30.
Anyway, I've gotta go do stuff, I'll read more and talk to you more later!