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askerian ([personal profile] askerian) wrote2009-02-27 11:39 pm
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roarrrrr *rant rant rant* deviantart bitching.

Okay, this is a deviantart-related bitching session, that I'm reposting here because I know some of you enjoy it when I go RARRRR.

I swear I could draw akamaru/pakkun on there and someone would still complain that clearly Akamaru is canonly going to end up with Kiba's big sister's three dogs and here's the manifesto to prove it. Also I have a headache that won't quit from looking at all this anti-hinata wank. This post sounds super-pissy as a result. But it was actually kind of funny to write and now I feel much better, so heh.

Still got the headache though. Hn.


Fact: either naruhina/sasusaku or narusaku will become canon in the manga.

Fact: I am not the person drawing the manga.

Therefore: Why do people keep expecting me to draw only stuff that will fit in (what they assume/hope/make a wild ass guess will be in) the manga.

Furthermore: WHY DO THEY EXPECT ME TO GIVE A SHIT.

I like Sasuke with Naruto. It's not gonna happen in the manga. I like Sasuke with Itachi. It's DEFINITIVELY not gonna happen in the manga. I like Itachi with Neji. Do those two even know the other guy exists?

So you post and you tell me so. "You know, the pic is okay, but I really don't think those two are gonna happen." And it takes me all my strength to keep from asking you what's that got to do with the price of butter in China and whether you were always so obnoxious and obsessive and smug about your ship of choice.

I like Sasuke with Sakura because it's romantico-tragic and their color schemes offset each other nicely. Not because It's So Gonna Happen!!!! And Sakura with Naruto because they make for dynamic and vivid scenes. Not because It's So Gonna Happen!!!! And Naruto with Sasuke because there is no end to the variety of things I could draw them doing and they'd still be hot/funny/tragic/everything. Not because It's So Gonna Happen!!!! And all three of them together, always and forever amen. (It damn well SHOULD happen.)

I like Naruto with Hinata because it's sweet and cute. I like Hinata with Neji because it's tragic and pretty to look at. I like Sasuke with Hinata because visually they match like a set of mostly-silent noble-born bookends. I like Naruko-chan with KyuubiNaruto because it's the best, hottest crack, and if it happens in the manga I will take a plane ticket and suck Kishimoto's dick, but I'm pretty sure my mouth is, sadly, going to remain unmolested.

If you don't like them, you have two choice.

1) I still like the art style! Here, have some compliment and/or helpful art crit.
2) OH MY GOD WHAT IS THIS MARVELOUS INVENTION?? IS IT THE FABLED BACKBUTTON???? :O

I don't give a shit if you don't like my subject matter. It's not my problem -- it's YOURS.

I don't give a shit that you believe Kishimoto told you how everything will end and anyone who dares to make pretty pictures that don't relate to The Canon Pairings As I Assume They Will Happen should have their drawings printed and used as toilet paper because it shouldn't have been drawn in the first place, no matter how pretty or fun the end result is and how many hours they spent working on it.

Conclusion: Don't drag me into pairing debates. My picture comments are for comments about the picture. If you can't comment on the picture, then don't comment at all.

We good? Thank you, goodnight.



I fucking hate how I keep having to rewrite this kind of post over and over again.


also stop sending me forwarded OMG THIS GUYZ A HACKAR QUICK SPAM EVRY1 ON UR FRENDLIST BECAUSE THAT IS SO GONNA HELP MORE THEN JUST REPORTING TEH GAIZ TO TEH ADMINZ emails. I will Force-choke you through the internet.

[identity profile] severedscythe.livejournal.com 2009-02-27 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
*howls with laughter* oh, babe.

I don't understand the hinata hate. D:

[identity profile] kittychan1986.livejournal.com 2009-02-27 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, hun, but as someone who adores everything you do and thinks that you ROCK, that was kinda amusing. Please no Force Chokes through the internet? I'm sorry that the idiots are getting you down, I think the best possible idea is for us to find a new Australia-type-Island (uninhabiited, of course) and send all the idiots to it, deny them all internet access and wait for them to die out. *Nods* Sweetie, I read Team Hawk stuff that you wrote and through it was the bomb. (And I was incredabily skeptical going into that fic, but damn, hun.) I trust you so utterly and completely that if you decide to take a romp down Akamaru/Pakkun, I will faithfully follow you and give you kuddos. (Though really, I think it'd be funny to see the pug topping in that relationship. Just because Akamaru is so....big Wolf-Dog Hybrid THING)

[identity profile] kittychan1986.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
You just know Pakkun would have to take Akarmaru aside to explain things to him before they even got started. *is now highly amused* I mean, just imagine how intresting a picture that would make? Something so tiny topping something so big. *Evil grin face*

(Anonymous) 2009-03-01 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
*snickers* I agree with you about Asuka. I adore everything she does. She is the bomb! *hands out Asuka Love Cookies* everyone who loves Asuka, come and get one!

but seriously.... Pakkun/Akamaru? WHERE THE HELL DID THIS IDEA GET STARTED? It's the wierdest thing I've ever heard of! Although I have no hate for it. It just never ocured to me...^.^'
More Love and hugs for the Asuka

From Sesshy81

[identity profile] quoth-the-ravyn.livejournal.com 2009-02-27 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
.... the spam bit at the end killed me because it is so true!!!!

It is sad that there is such pairing/fiction/art hate out there. Sad, sad.

And I am amazed that people send you art hate because its soooooo pretty, even when you draw crack pairings! It's still pretty!!!!!

[identity profile] pridefall.livejournal.com 2009-02-27 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Just disable comments, if it's that bad.

[identity profile] pridefall.livejournal.com 2009-02-27 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
This is true. /shrugs It's just. They haven't invented a machine that can punch people over the internet, so this is like some horrible cycle everyone has to go through when they participate in fandom.

[identity profile] windandwater.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
I like Naruko-chan with KyuubiNaruto because it's the best, hottest crack

............. oh omg. OMG. Why haven't I thought of this before?!

[identity profile] dreamynytemare.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
I would just like to say that everything about you - your fics, your art, and your rants (ESPECIALLY your art) - is full of total WIN. You can make any pairing - canon or cracktastic - look beautiful. So long as the art is pretty, that's all I care about. And guess what? If I don't agree with the pairing portrayed, I just think of it as a really awesome portrait of two characters and love it anyway! I don't know why so many people waste time on pairing wars... because that's exactly what it is. Wasting time.

[identity profile] silk-skin.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
for me I don't see the manga ending with any specific pairing. I just believe that Kishimoto likes to torture us by implying hundreds of different pairings. (lol).

I do however see SasuNaru happening if Kishimoto were to make a manga sequel to Naruto (which there have been rumors for, I'm not 100% sure though. I hope it happens though! lol)

I completely agree with you though. It's one thing to say "i like this pairing and your art is so good! The coloring is beautiful". But I do agree that it's wrong to say that "that's never gonna happen in the manga"

Like myself, you're a freelance artist. Meaning, you'll create any art piece that comes to your mind. You don't follow with certain "fads" because you don't know how they'll end.

[identity profile] silk-skin.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
I forgot to add this. lol.

I don't understand why everyone hates Hinata. I LOVE HER! She kicks ass (as well as Sakura).

[identity profile] sporksaredivine.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
Amen.

[identity profile] questofdreams.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
♥__♥ I SENSED IT WAS DUE TIME FOR AN ASUKA RANT *fans self*

[identity profile] uminohikari.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
B-but Hinata is /amazing/. She is my favorite ;; Naruto fandom confuses me

[identity profile] inverts.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
I like Naruko-chan with KyuubiNaruto because it's the best, hottest crack, and if it happens in the manga I will take a plane ticket and suck Kishimoto's dick, but I'm pretty sure my mouth is, sadly, going to remain unmolested.

AHAHAHAH YES, THIS. SO MUCH.

[identity profile] sporksaredivine.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
I just wanted to add that I think your rant needs to be posted somewhere where everyone in the fandom can see. There is just too much wankary going on.
As for Hinata, well, she was never my cup of tea. Don't know why, I just never cared much for her, but I still don't understand all the hate. And besides, she looks absolutely kick-ass in those panels, so where the hell is all this fuckery coming from I cannot fathom.
People need to get over their inner thirteen-year-old-prepubescent-girl selves and realize that just because they really wanted to smack whoever it was that stole away their First One True Love (TM), this should not in any way or form transfer over to fictional characters. Naruto is not just like your junior high school days, stop living vicariously through an animated show, dammit.

[identity profile] lurker-lost.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
>I will take a plane ticket and suck Kishimoto's dick
.....
.....
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA XDDDDDDD *DIES*

[identity profile] wanderingscroll.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 06:52 am (UTC)(link)
*offers chocolate and KyuuNaru to The Awesome That Is Asuka Kureru*

*grabs Bat O' Doom and wanders off to go whack some fanbrats*

[identity profile] toki-usagi.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 08:47 am (UTC)(link)
*grublemutterfantardssnarlglare* Excuse me, have a clue-by-four to pick up and use to start beating people over the head. Naruto's an f-ing shonen manga. It's not going to be hearts and flowers all over the place, it's going to be fighting and boys going wtf, growing up, oh hell brain pain, angst, fight, kick, brawl, oh look, skirts! The emphasis has never been on the women, and Kishi's said he's just not good at creating them. So bah, the fandom-wankers can suck it. There's a reason AU fanfic and doujin exist. Dear fantards, the mangaka called AGAIN. He STILL wants his creation back, and would like you to stop claiming that you and he are the same person.

[identity profile] weresmilodon.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
Now this is a rant that should be turned into art. <--Fact

You should also post it up there, where the people it's pointed at will see it. <--Fact

Best way to get rid of stress.

[identity profile] lyarrah.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
IAWTC

Seriously, have Naruko going on a huge fucking rant about it, and end it with "besides, everyone knows that me and him *points to KyuuNaru* are the only real pairing for the series".

No one will get it, still, but hey, it'd be epic.

[identity profile] weresmilodon.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
That it would. That it would.

[identity profile] kikyou-sama18.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
*wince*

Ugh..how long have you been putting up with that..? People with brains should be able to understand that art and canon manga or--their ships-- aren't always holding hands. So..yeah.

I guess it's useless to say "don't pay attention" cause you wrote an entry about it, but I don't think this will stop the crazyshippingpeople from commenting on stupid things. Anyways I guess writing it helped to release some stress..or so I hope it did. =)

[identity profile] fonsetorigo.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
-is in a corner, somewhere, dead, from fandoms stupidity and laughing at the rant-

I has rest of completed pencil sketch to you cheer up moar? http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/Lady_pics/Picture0066.jpg

I plan on inking and colouring it (sorta) when I am in a mood to deal with my scanner -cough- its kinda a bitch.

[identity profile] fonsetorigo.livejournal.com 2009-03-01 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
YEY. -dances-

I feel completed as a human being. XD Joking.

I'll probably draw something else... sometime *cough* I like making things for people, so one day, there will probably be another pic. X3

[identity profile] fateofshadow.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that the Hinata hate mostly springs from the malady known as 'Boob Envy', cases of 'Boob Envy' have been sighted across the web and are rather prominent in the Naruto and Bleach fandoms.

The people (*cough* girls *cough*) that claim they don't like Hinata/Tsunade/Orihime etc because they 'are too weak', 'stay away from fighting too much' and so on are all obviously too fixated on their own washboards to see past the obvious and pay any attention to the characters in question.

On the other hand who can blame them, I'd be fixated too if I wasn't a frickin' E-cup. .___.

[identity profile] nothri.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Since I've yet to see anyone actually being gleeful about the Hinata "maybe death" that didn't also TIEP LIECK DIS I feel comfortable saying most people of this opinion are giant freaking idiots. And as I've long since given up trying to make idiots stop being stupid, I'm fairly comfortable with that.

[identity profile] hardcoreheathen.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Yaaaaaaaay, ranty Asuka is back! <3

[identity profile] armina-skitty.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Fanart
FANart
As in, Art made by FANS; not art made by the Creator. As in, 'I can draw WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT because I'm a fan yanking the characters for my own vision via my own inspiration. What is so horribly difficult to understand about this? It makes about as much sense as when some idiot on FF.net complained when I gave Shikamaru a riding Elk name Yakul. It DOESN'T!!

I love your art, I love the dynamics, the colors and the way each image seems to embody an emotion; anger, serenity, playfulness, sexual tension, etc. Anyone who doesn't, doesn't get art nor understands the fact that there is NO True Way. Keep rockin' Asuka, I'll keep droolin'. ^_^

[identity profile] m-a-foxfire.livejournal.com 2009-02-28 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
What is it about the internet that makes people do these things.

[identity profile] inverseparadox.livejournal.com 2009-03-01 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
(I apologize if the quote below isn't italicized; the tags are visible in preview, but my memory and everything I'm finding say that they should be accepted, so I'm giving it a go anyway.)

So you post and you tell me so. "You know, the pic is okay, but I really don't think those two are gonna happen." And it takes me all my strength to keep from asking you what's that got to do with the price of butter in China and whether you were always so obnoxious and obsessive and smug about your ship of choice.
I don't think it's (perceived by most of the people who say things like that as being) about "obnoxious", "obsessive", or "smug".

It's simply that, from a certain perspective, anything which is not compatible with canon is less worthwhile and/or less valuable than things which are. This isn't limited to ships, either, nor is it intended as arrogance or condemnation; it's merely, in many cases, an unquestioned assumption.

I think the unstated paradigm there is something along the lines of "if it's not going to happen in canon, there inherently cannot be either any point in expending effort and attention on it or any benefit to be had thereby" - and, as an inescapable consequence once that premise is accepted, the much more potentially offensive "by drawing this you have wasted your time and effort, and paying attention to it would be a waste of my time and effort, whereas if you had drawn something which could happen it would have been worth your time to have drawn and my time to pay attention to it, and the world would be a better place for having that something in it". (There are lesser forms of this available which substitute "less point"/"less benefit" or similar concepts, but the logic is much the same.)

In that light, comments on the fact that the picture depicts something not compatible with canon *are* comments about the picture, in that not being compatible with canon is (considered to be) an inherently detrimental factor. In that light, pointing out that the picture is not compatible with canon is in fact an honest attempt to be helpful.

I don't especially share that mindset, as you may have guessed from the fact that I even read your LJ, but I can see how it can arise and seem 'natural and correct' (to the point of never being consciously noticed much less questioned) to those who hold it.

[identity profile] inverseparadox.livejournal.com 2009-03-01 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
I can understand that; that sort of reaction is rarely rational enough to be subject to rational argument, and I am similarly irrational myself in certain areas.

(...thanks for pointing that out - I do know HTML, and in hindsight it's blindingly obvious, but I somehow managed to miss noticing that typo at least three separate times.)

[identity profile] complexphoenix.livejournal.com 2009-03-01 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I fucking hate how I keep having to rewrite this kind of post over and over again.

You might as well resign yourself to the fact that the idiots are never going away. Twice as many new idiots join fandom each week as are converted from idiocy to intelligence by introspection, so you might as well keep a set of generalized rants to copy and paste where appropriate.

[identity profile] foenixfyre.livejournal.com 2009-03-02 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
1) I am howling with laughter. I am SO THANKFUL that this little snowstorm has prevented anyone else from making it to the office so far.

2) Stupid immature PairFans can just STFU. Your art is gorgeous and awesome and you like making it, and that is what matters the most.

[identity profile] bootoye.livejournal.com 2009-03-20 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL I think you do attract the weirods.

Oh a more serious note...do you think Kishimoto would LET you suck his....um...well you know. (funniest line evar, you made me snort my drink reading that ^^)