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I was thinking about the tripletsverse, and then... Kushina. Huh.

Passing over how I must have misunderstood and Minato did NOT pass up a chance to survive in a slightly more difficult 'verse so he could TELL HIS KID ABOUT HIS MOM HIMSELF, just so ghost-Kushina would have ten minutes of Naruto's time after a lifetime of being A 100% ORPHAN SERIOUSLY WHAT. I must have missed something. MUST. HAVE.

... uh, yes, where was I...

Kushina.

In the tripletsverse, is her ghost still hanging 'round for that One Last Talk? and if so, who is she in? Naruto, Naruto-and-Naruko, all three of them somehow? What was she anchored into, again? Was she dispersed/destroyed when the seal went HEY LET'S SPLINTER and wouldn't that be super sad? (except, uh, the triplets would have NO CLUE anyway but *I* do, so : woe.)

Anyway, what seems most likely to you guys? Not what seems the most AWW I WISH (which to me would be SHE WAS NOT DEAD SHE WAS... IN A HEALING STASIS OKAY SHUTUP) but, the likelihood. Let's note that Kyuubi-clone having Kyuubi memories means he does remember his previous Jinchuuriki, so it's not like the memory that she existed is totally erased/lost. (let's also note that Kyuu-chan's an ass and not really prone to heartwarming talks so when the heck would Kushina even come up in conversation... XD)

But anyway. Tripletsverse and Kushina. Thoughts?

another tripletsverse trend I noticed is that I tend to write kyuubi macking on guys and naru-chan macking on girls more often than either of them involved in het. huh. But that'll balance out in the long run.

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Oh, dear god, THAT SCENE! Kishi what have you done?? 4th Hokage sacrificing himself to save his village was FINE. It made SENSE. Turning that into basically killing yourself because you don't wanna be both dad and mom to your child was...I don't think there's a word yet made to describe how stupid that is. How is a kid supposed to be less fucked up without a mom or a dad than just without his mom? How are you serving the village by unnecessarily killing yourself so that mom can have a few minutes with her son? How does this decision not transform Minato just a huge, cowardly prick rather than a great hero sacrificing himself?

I apologize. I too must be missing something.

If Kushina is still there, I think she is most likely in Naruto. If she was mixed in with the Kyuubi's chakra, he would have tried to find a way to eat her a long time ago. Since she's able to talk directly to Naruto even while binding the Kyuubi in that big psychic battle they have, I think she has to be connected directly to him and not the seal or the Kyuubi, otherwise she would have dissolved when Naruto opened the seal the last time.

Good, we can miss it together, because srslywtf.

the last time, do you mean after hinata's sacrifice when he went eight tailed and minato stopped him at the last second? his seal was still there though. or, uh, i forget if/when naruto got the key to his seal in the turtle island and in which order that and the surprise!sage transformation thing and everything happened... need to read over again. or do you mean the tripletsverse "oopsie"? i swear my brain is a huge mess, I can't remember when and how and in which order. I need to read it all over again but... ehhh.

"Good, we can miss it together, because srslywtf."

I got nothing. I decided to reread it in case I was being unfair...but no. Still makes no sense whatsoever. Anything that might be meaningful makes me say 'that's true...but how can killing yourself make that any better?".

And if I seem to be ranting a bit in your lj about it, I apologize. I've been meaning to do a livejournal about it for awhile. Never did, and so there's a lot of excess bile built up about the subject.

No, please, rant away. XD it saves me from having to research that shit and then rant it up myself. (also I am vicariously enjoying your despair. I'm mean like that. Okay, it's kind of cathartic by proxy.)

I think she should be in Naruko... She could pop up during some Female crisis or something... she could maybe possess her for a minute so she could talk to the others as well... maybe... :D Librarycat9 :D

XD; there's no logical reason why she would be in naruko and not in kyuubi, though. and she doesn't show any ability for possession in canon either. (and i keep having creepy ideas like kushina possessing naruko while she's in bed with her "twins" for some reason, and that's kinda ... ick XDDDD god, my brain, what the hell is it doing.)

Naruko's got more "Naruto" in her than Kyuubi does, though. She's the most 'mixed' between Naruto and Kyuubi, and Kushina's message was to allow Naruto control of Kyuubi chakra, so it'd be in one where both are present.

kyuubi is more Naruto than he thinks, so really the proportions might be somewhat different but it's not extreme like Kyuubi being 90% kyuubi and 10% Naruto, and Naru being 90% Naruto and 10% kyuubi. Kyuubi hosts five of the tails, she has three, it's not such a big imbalance. Seriously there's no real reason Kushina could show up in Naru and not in Kyuubi.

My thought was if there's an unconscious tug-o-war of some sort, she's the one in the 'middle'.

It could also just be random too.

I vote that Minato was just so kickass that he managed to leave a little part of him and a message from Kushina even though the jutsu required his death. (Didn't they say that the jutsu required tasty caster's soul, back when the Third tried to get Orochimaru with it and the God of Death decided that the Third wasn't nummy enough to bother eating more than Orochi's arms?) But maybe I am misunderstanding because I didn't actually read the scene. ^^()

Also, what would be really evil is if Kushina got splintered and a part of her is in each triplet. And not "splintered" like Naruto did, all nice and pat and whole, but "splintered" like "little bit of mommy in each, now with 300% more crazy".

the thing is, there were other sealing methods that did NOT require his death, but there was some bullshit about how if he died he could also tie Kushina's soul into it and then she could see naruto for a little bit when he was older because "he was only naruto's father and couldn't take his mother's place" -- like having naruto's dad all his life telling him stories of his mother (and being around to protect his village and pass along the way madara fought sooner!) was something he ought to sacrifice in exchange for naruto being alone for sixteen years just so he could see the real her for a handful of minutes. I don't remember the details but I do remember the wtf. i'm hoping there's some explanation i missed about why he had to die at all.

... oooOOOOOoh. this would be evil indeed. *__*

Aww heck, let's just relive the stupidity together:

http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-504-page-1.html

It would have been one thing if Kushina had asked him to....maybe he could have been dying and she regrets not being able to see Naruto grow up and he does it as one last gift to her...but no. Instead he's perfectly healthy, and far from asking him to Kushina points out what a dumbass he's being and even says that her desire is for Minato to stay with Naruto. Instead, he has the gall to lecture her about how abandoning one's country is like abandoning one's child. This is in reference to the cold war like balance of power the five nations use the tailed beasts to maintain. Except, as established earlier, he can use a slightly weaker seal to make Naruto a host AND NOT KILL HIMSELF IN THE PROCESS. And keep in mind, he's the Hokage...he's the tough uber ninja in charge of protecting his village, and he just demonstrated that he's one of the ONLY ninjas capable of standing any chance against Madara. So everytime I read this line about abandoning country= abandoning child, I always end it with "but don't worry, because I'll be doing both at the same time!!" Then he says something about how he's doing this for Kushina and Naruto, that it is his role as a father to be willing to die for his son. Which sounds like a noble sentiment...except I'm positive any parent that says that means 'I would die if I had to' for their children, not 'I will happily kill myself even though there are perfectly valid options at my disposal to stay alive and help my son'. I think most people will agree that killing yourself rather than caring for your enfant son is not an act of nobility, its an act of cowardice. Or massive stupidity. Either way it contradicts pretty much everything we have ever heard about Minato. I really do think something huge has been lost in translation, because there's no way to spin this in my head that doesn't make the 4th a huge dick.

I digress....

Your best option might actually be to have her manifest when all three 'narutos' are together. You can even make it comedic as hell by having her and 'almost kyuubi' get into a huge argument with each other, or force the poor woman to address Naruto's odd feelings towards his 'siblings' and teammates...you know...'the talk'....

HOLY CRAP! THAT'S IT! MINATO WANTED TO LEAVE THAT DISCUSSION UP TO HER! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!

Using the right journal this time. >>

...Oh my god is that what that was? What the hell Minato, what the hell Kishimoto. That's just damn awful. DX

well. unless he just had it come across all wrong and it's not what was meant to be understood at all...

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But anyway. Tripletsverse and Kushina. Thoughts?-

Maybe with all the chakra running around, she becomes a permanent resident in one of them (Naru-chan) instead of a visitor? ^^

Oh yea, most likely I'd think is she'd just end up with one message for one of them.

oh god no, that would be so creepy. XD I mean her son splitting into three people who are, basically, her son's twin brother and sister, and then having incesty sex together, while she's trapped in one of their heads and watching and living it along, for me it takes the creepy-fantasy from "hur hur hur clonetwincest"-level to just plain squick.

She doesn't have to be active all the time? ^^

It'd sort of be, Kyuubi gets power and doesn't care about Naruto's old life, Naruto gets to keep his old life, Naru-chan doesn't but does get a Mom.

sorry, still pinging me as creepy XD plus i don't think either naruto would consider it a fair trade. That's like trading between your right arm and your best friend. Bad new, you lose your best friend forever, he's alive he just replaced you and now you're all alone and will never find someone like him ever again. Good news, you're not an amputee! either way it sucks, but not in equal ways. XD

Sure it's not an even trade, but Naru-chan seems to lose out the most in general. Most people will think of mNaruto as Naruto, and Kyuubi doesn't care, but she has the old memories but has to put up with new relationships. Having an advice-giver wouldn't hurt.

If they split into equal but different aspects of themselves, wouldn't Kushina's consciousness also split, leaving her less time to talk to them each individually.

Yeah, that whole thing with Minato, yeah. But you know afterward I got to thinking, Minato wanted to give Kushina the ability to talk to their kid later, what if this has to do more about his own feelings as an orphan than anything else? Wanting to give Naruto that moment with his mom. Maybe he thought, I never had that, and I would have killed for that . . . Also, I'm thinking Minato might not have realized the full extend of the destruction. In the flashback, we only see Minato dealing with Kushina, Naruto, fighting Madara and maybe dropping by to look in on the village. He was not on the front dealing with the Kyuubi, he wouldn't have seen what it was doing, not in the way those fighting on the ground. He would not have gotten the full picture of the mass destruction.

Also, his wife was a demon host and to was the First's wife, nothing bad happened to them, so maybe he didn't realize the full extent of what Naruto would go through. And, I really wonder about this, there was no reason for Minato not to think they would be able to hide the fact that Naruto was the vessel of the Kyuubi. He didn't know the mess he left behind, or the sheer amount of chaos and destruction.

And let's not forget, Minato wasn't leaving Naruto alone, at least from his point of view. He had his godfather and Kakashi, who should have been like a big brother for Naruto. Minato was counting on that.

Another point is that Minato had no way of knowing whether or not Naruto would be acknowledged as his son. Now this really brings into question his decision because if Naruto had, then being a demon host would have been the least of his worries, if not . . . this is where it really gets sticky for me. He did mention that he knew they might need a powerhouse like Naruto considering the power he witnessed with Madara.

yeah but none of these really compensates for:

1) minato knows madara is alive and planning to go against Konoha, and so far he's the ONLY ONE who has any idea how, and the actual ABILITY to physically hurt him.

2) the seal might be less efficient now but he could research it later and add another seal layer on top, or unravel and redo, even. So long as you're not dead it's not over.

if minato thought he'd rather have no dad at all and ten minutes with his dead mom where she basically tells him "i love you, be a good son" to his face, on the hope that jiraiya who left the village and went adventuring for years following his failure, or kakashi who never really healed from losing his team, would be a good daddy, than a live dad to tell naruto all his life that his mom loved him plus what virtues and desires she showed, plus protecting him, being there when he takes his first steps and falls on his face, being there when he goes to the academy, comforting him when his first mission fails, when he first has to kill someone or see someone die, when he can protect him as he grows... I can't call that a good parent. It was selfish, stupid and short-sighted. It might give Minato more depth and be more realistic and less Amazing Godmode Guy, but it kind of contradicts what we knew of him so far and the manga doesn't say anything about the scene being *meant* to make him look flawed or making mistakes, it presented that like a noble act.

the only point that makes it okay is the "they need a powerhouse like naruto" idea, and if another seal would have weakened him then okay... but seriously manga logic. just because he's their son, how do they know how he'd grow up with their values if they were totally absent from his life from the day he was born? but that's generic manga stupid, i guess. >__>;

I KNOW!!! ARG!!! It just doesn't make any sense!! I really tried thinking it over logically but the bottom line is that Minato loved Kushina more than he loved his son and didn't want to live without her there! *wails* How can Naruto take that situation and be all like, huh, okay, let's move on! *head desk times forty*

there there. ;^; *huggles*

*sniff sniff, hugs back* It's so awful *says in watery tone* *sniff sniff*

Would a weaker seal really have worked? I kind of got the impression that because Kyuubi had been ripped from his host and then enraged, it was unlikely that other stuff would have worked. After all, Minato knew the seal before Kushina was dieing right? Maybe? Idk. Man, I need to reread the chapter but would kind of rather not... *sighs at Kishimoto*

Now, having Kushina in Naru-chan would make some of her behaviors and attitudes make sense beyond just the physical change of body and, more importantly, hormones. And I kind of also view Naru-chan as the result of trying to pull Kyuubi from Naruto and not understanding the extent of the bindings: you've got Kyuubi, a seal with two souls connected to it even if just tenuously, and you've got Naruto. As Kushina is stronger in the seal than Minato, an obviously female clone rather than something more androgynous (ignoring the fact that it was a shape familiar to his chakra). Would also be interesting that Naru-chan drains chakra when Kushina manifested chakra...although I guess the circumstances are quite different.

However, my brain has stalled out on Mom popping up during stuff between the triplets. I keep on working past it, but yeah... Perhaps she would pop up during an argument between Kyuubi and Naru-chan?

Also I now really want to see a fic on the first time Naruto sexy-no-jutsu'd after the split....

hm, intriguing possiblity about the kyuubi being too riled up for any other seal, which would make minato's death a necessity. That would make things way better to me. It's not the feel I got from the scene but I just hope I missed the subtext and Kishi was clumsy...

If Kushina is here I don't want her to influence any of her children directly. It pings me as creepy, especially a *generational* ghost possession like this. Either Kushina is being a voyeur in her kid's life or she's unvoluntarily forced to witness it, and either way it's squicking me hardcore, even if it's only at the subconscious level. being somehow aware of the big events through limbo-land is different from seeping through her daughter's mind and remodeling her from the inside without naru knowing any better.

Naru is female because she's made of almost nothing but female energy, and kitsune are shapeshifters. Kyuubi liked being male much better and identified as such, but he doesn't even remember which gender he was born as, and from legends, with a lot of kitsune it never does matter much. You get male kitsune becoming women and marrying humans and having kids with them pretty often. And Naruto often transforms his clones into women, so the pattern came naturally enough. At the moment of her birth Naru ended up with a female physical template and female life energy, and tadahh.

Would also be interesting that Naru-chan drains chakra when Kushina manifested chakra...although I guess the circumstances are quite different.

Hm. it would be, in another fic, or maybe if they were siblings instead of mother-child. the idea interests me but i keep running face first in the cross-generational part that squicks me so much. ;__;

oooooh good idea about the sexy no jutsu. I think naruto would transform, and then be all "... no, i can't do it anymore, it's too weird" and naru would be all OH COME ON WE COULD PRETEND TO BE TWINS."
"we ARE twins! Kinda!"
"... SEXY twins, I mean."

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If Kushina is here I don't want her to influence any of her children directly. It pings me as creepy, especially a *generational* ghost possession like this. Either Kushina is being a voyeur in her kid's life or she's unvoluntarily forced to witness it, and either way it's squicking me hardcore, even if it's only at the subconscious level. being somehow aware of the big events through limbo-land is different from seeping through her daughter's mind and remodeling her from the inside without naru knowing any better.-

While Minato and Kushina had some awareness of Kyuubi-related activities, I don't think they really got to see all that much.

Could have her only know of the situation what the one who's head she's in tells her. Like, they have the option of knocking on a mental door and chatting, but wouldn't see-see it.

Oh Kishi. *sighs* I really don't think he thinks too hard about what he writes, just keeps going with it.

Yeah, I was trying to think about it as a purely intellectual problem but kept on going ergh. Easy solution is to have it not be changed at all and Kushina is still with Naruto.

Where did you find the Kitsune info? I've never been able to find anything that I could definitely a Japanese translation and not just something someone made up based on Kitsune. *coughneailgaimancough* Even websites were pretty much made up of nothing except one story and a couple of prints. Granted, I don't know when I searched so it might have been years since I attempted...

Your explanation makes a lot of sense. But, to be totally honest, I don't see that in the story at all. Kyuubi is pretty expressly Kyuubi and Naru-chan is pretty much Naruto as a chick. Which is what the original idea was when this was just a fun idea and not a bunny that latched on and wouldn't let go. But the explanation makes it sound like Naru-chan is supposed to be a large chunk of Kyuubi's energy, and so would likely have more of Kyuubi to her than Naruto. Unless when the trap was triggered naruto was pulled first and then Kyuubi's female energy (because he holds onto the male energy stronger) and then the rest of Kyuubi? But that still doesn't explain it unless personality is connected to chakra and...I'm sure there was logic somewhere but it just disintegrated in my hands...
Blah. Sorry I'm being twitchy about something that probably doesn't matter.

Oh man, I get your squick, I really do. It leaked in even when I was trying to just treat it as an intellectual problem instead of it's his mom....

Lol, only then would they be sexy twins!
On a more serious note though, this whole are they twins or aren't they twins must be really difficult to wrap your head around to write stuff...

I just have to say it here.
I really (really really) like your tripletverse :D
and your teamwork-verse
and honestly, almost all of your work.
In the beginning I was like a total Yaoi Fangirl and must to my shame admit I didn't like Sakura (I'm still not fully ok with pre-timeskip Sakura), but after a while I could see Sakura more and more with Naruto or Sasuke ( I also like your fics because I think team 7 just has this connection and everytime I read a 'just' SasuSaku/NaruSaku without the third member, I just feel like something is amiss)
and after reading some (and others) of your fics I am officially into your! het -You spoiled me :B- I still get goosebumps when I even think about reading (other than yours)het, but I really like your writing style. It's somehow 'carefree' (if you understand what I mean, because I really don't know how to put it) and unique.(Also because of you I'm more and more into three-, four- and other moresomes - Thank you for that by the way)
Your characters are amazing -especially Kyuubi (he's like.. Kyuubi but even better xD)
About the whole 'kyuubi macking on guys and naru-chan macking on girls'-issue: It just fits.
I mean Naruto-chan is still Naruto- and Naruto just likes girls more(the sexy-no-jutsu may have been a tiny hint :D)

And please can you add a Kyuu x maleNaru story .I really look forward to a story like this because.. I don't have to explain or? I mean Kyuubi and Naruto is just .. rrr~

heh, thank you very much *^__^* and yes! i'll write some kyuubi/naruto at some point. I'm just still wondering where it would fit best and how/why.

I'm not sure if someone suggested this scenario before but.. when Naruto-chan left Naruto and Kyuubi to go shopping with Ino and Sakura, it would be great to see how they reacted (or more Naruto).
Or after Naruto met his Mother/Father or after Jiraiya. Kyuubi could try to 'comfort' him.
It could also be another Kyuu/male!Naru/Naru scenario. Naruto-chan has to be feed sometime again >:D
(Though I think it will be more like Kyuubi will say something along the lines of 'Suck it up'.. so yeah comfort!Kyuubi may not be the best xD)

I don't know, but this song! Maybe you'll like it (I mean good music can lead to good ideas, right?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW1o-Ont_s
Young Heretics- I know I'm a Wolf

Meh, I've given up on trying to follow Naruto canon faithfully. I hope that this particular conclusion is just a result of bad translation/culture clash misinterpretation, but even if it isn't as far as I'm concerned Minato had to die so the Kyuubi would be sealed right and that's that. *♥ Minato*

As for Kushina, in my opinion the most likely answer is that she's still in Naruto -- I got the impression that she was tied into his chakra, so Kyuubi's chakra splitting off and splintering shouldn't affect her.

I have to admit I haven't really thought about these new Shippuuden turns in depth. ,__, They just don't feel right anymore. Naruto is split into two universes in my mind.

But, really... I think Kyuubi should know/remember/have a feeling Kushina was there. He'd be all sneaky about confirming it though, and I guess he'd prod around in their minds to see if she's still hanging around somewhere - but I don't she is. It doesn't make sense. I think she was bound to the seal, or at least to the bond between Kyuubi and Naruto as some sort of extra seal/counter-measure. So yeah. She's not (in a) needed (part) anymore. I really think she was lost in the split, but not forgotten, as there's still Kyuubi. Who will let something slip, maybe not on purpose, not really, but in a heated discussion? Or if it becomes relevant beacuse of whatever Naru-chan might go through? Or something the village/people/council does, I don't know. As a "I'll just save my own before they butt in" or something.

I vote for Naruto to keep Kushina in whatever form she ends up taking. Mostly because Naru-chan and Kyuubi are bitsers, and unless Kushina figures into that somehow (which would be really interesting come to think of it) Naruto should get a monopoly on mommy.
Though er, if they all did have bits of her, I'd think it'd be more like how a drawing in pencil can transfer onto another piece of paper. Smudgy and incoherent and doesn't really effect the quality of the original. Except maybe make Kyuubi more amiable to the memory of his previous keeper and more amenable to sharing memories of her.

As to what form she's in... it just generally bugged me that Naruto had so many bits of beings sealed into him. So it wouldn't tear me up too much if all that was left was a faint echo. Though I do think he should get the message she loved him and that she was awesome therefore he's awesome too.

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