askerian: Serious Karkat in a red long-sleeved shirt (Aske_Mermaids in SPACE)
askerian ([personal profile] askerian) wrote2008-05-01 10:42 pm

space mermaids -- Arun babble + pictures.



I'm not entirely happy with the anatomy there -- blue's arms look too scrawny/short somehow, and his skull is a bit strange. It's also not a very exciting pic. They're just posing. But, eh. Colors yay.


Two-tails! The first two are sort of functional models (the first one is the kind of body type that every single non-standard mermaid descendent gets the name from, even if they don't actually have legs.) but the third is really crippled. Poor guy.




o- So far kind of irrelevant to the plot... : Arun might get near-photographic memory, meaning if he sees something and tells himself he has to keep it in mind, he'll remember it in a detailed way and might even be able to draw it from memory. (he's not really an artist -- he can sketch precisely if he takes his time, but it has very little artistic/imaginative value. ) If he writes or types a sentence/paragraph/page, he will be able to quote it, including exact punctuation. (The ability was trained into him at an early age, it's not natural to him like Blue's empathy and Liadan's telepathy. It's closer to Liadan's memory for routes and trajectories and anything spoken, which is something all merpeople have on account of needing to compensate for not having the ability to write down stuff that matters.)

I'm not sure yet what good it will do to him, apart from an augmented ability to annoy the hell out of Blue with irrelevant nerdy facts. XD


o- A lot more relevant: Arun didn't actually go alone on the planet! It's too dangerous anyway, even with trained dolphins XD (I'm thinking there was supposed to have been a third person with them, but at the last moment they had to pull out. Or maybe thirdguy got injured and was sent to the other planet in this solar system that's currently being explored; they actually have a doctor up there.) Kept coming back to it and going "nah". I should have accepted it a while ago, it makes more sense for the explorers to be at least two -- possibly more but that's too bothersome. I just didn't want anyone to bother Arun and Liadan when they were bonding. But interruptions and disruptions are fun too! XD

The coworker is a 27 year old geologist who loves rocks a hella lot more than people and is quite rules and laws oriented. Her name is Krish (short for Krishna - the black one, because of her black hair. Phear my naming schemes. XD) Arun and her don't get along very well, but they can work together alright. They're both working on their doctorate.

So he was just exploring alone when he met Liadan. (He shouldn't have been but eh. Like he cares. u__u;; )

Krish is all kinds of "WHAT DID YOU JUST DO DID YOU THINK ABOUT THE FIRST CONTACT RULES DAMN IT" when he shows her his mermaid. XD So in the end Liadan and Arun interact a lot outside of the ship, which is what I had planned anyway. That part of the story should be short enough that Krish doesn't have a lot of occasions to be bothersome.

Anyway at some point shit happens (lol ph34r my spoilers) and Arun is torn between helping Krish who looks kind of. Deadish. Or saving his own life and Liadan's. In the end he's forced to leave her behind and that tears him up, because even if he didn't like her much, they were supposed to be comrades, damn it. (they also happen to rescue Blue at that time, but that's really Liadan's fault, Arun wouldn't have gone and looked for him. XD)

So his links to the plot go from "just happens to be here", "feels environmentally conscious" and "likes Liadan" to all that plus worry for coworker, then grief, desire for justice, and thwarted desire to rescue her and/or bury her/find a way to send her body back to her parents. Which gives him a better reason to get angry enough to fight back against the evil bad guys.

And then more spoilerific Krish-related stuff happens that gives him even more of a personal interest in the process, which is yay.

Also it will add another layer to his interactions with Blue and Liadan. He likes them better than his coworker! But she was still his goddamn coworker and they were just strangers he'd met like two days ago! And Liadan's a mermaid who could have swam off whenever! And Blue's a goddamn pirate! And he LEFT HER TO DIE.

So he likes them a lot more than Krish, but the guilt, ohhhh. >3



I still have no idea what to do about the goddamn dolphins. Not sure if anyone remembers, but Arun had two of them in the first draft. They were bred and trained for obedience, to help Arun swim around and get him back up to the surface in case he was in trouble and things like that. But i'm not sure how necessary they are.

On the yes side:
-they're funny, and they lead to some cute interaction when Arun and Liadan met.
-Their existence means the space ship needs to be equipped with water tunnels that would enable Liadan to get in the ship and visit it.
-I can justify it in an Arun point of view because machines to pull him around would risk polluting the sea, and it so happens he knows those two bored dolphins back home...

On the no side:
-so far they have almost zero plot relevance (if they get to be in the plot I want them to have more importance than to be two dolphin-shaped convenient vehicles; they're living creatures damn it),
-I have no clue what happens to them once the pirates arrive and the shit hits the fan, I don't want to just dump them into hammerspace so I can get them back easily the second I need transporation for the trio,
-If I want Liadan to take a look inside the ship and have somewhere to swim, I could just flood the cargo bay, there's not a lot in there they couldn't move elsewhere, and if there is, it's probably in sealed boxes. She won't get to see the rest of the ship unless they're floating in space without gravity, but eh. Building some anticipation for her might be good.
-It feels a little like "everything and the kitchen sink" to me. I can justify the trained dolphins, sure! But when you add them to a pile that has genetically engineered mermaids, telepathy, space pirates, telepathic pirates, telepathic mermaids, beasties that look a hell of a lot like water dragons... I mean, the dolphins are cool, and I could sort of justify them. But. Maybe it's just too much for the suspension of disbelief... T__T

[identity profile] proanon.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Win on the partner for Arun. He really did need an extra hook, and this is perfect. Plus, guilt trips! Whee! Not to mention that it gives him a more emotional role in the plot; without that, he's kinda flying by on cerebral ideals, rather than gut feelings.

And I love the pictures, although ow, no kidding about that poor last guy.

[identity profile] katsquared.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Waitwhat? I feel like I've missed some crucial introduction of sorts to the mermaids in space thing.

...no wait I just went and checked your tags. And will be reading up on it this weekend. Yum, I'm so excited, I get a little fiction treat after that horrible standardized test. Heh.

[identity profile] katsquared.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
Just about the entire series, haha. But I have time to catch up, my mom's promised an entire day without nagging on Saturday!

And I always doodle during standardized tests, so I'm pretty sure my test booklet's going to be covered with attempts at mermaids now. I HOPE YOU FEEL PROPERLY ASHAMED FOR THE FUTURE BLINDNESS OF MY TEST PROCTOR xDD

[identity profile] windandwater.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I like the pics of the two tails. I kept trying to imagine it, but your drawings really help solidify the image, you know?

[identity profile] armina-skitty.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I really like the 'add coworker' thing. That is a HELL of a lot more believable than "Oh, shiny water-world! I wanna study, who cares if I'm by myself?" Like hell any self respecting University is going to let one of their precious students go to an unexplored world alone!! Having a coworker makes it more believable/understandable and should keep the skeptics at bay.

Trained dolphins: I like that too. Have you ever read Anne McCaffery's 'Dragonriders of Pern' series? In there she has enhanced dolphins who can squeak out human words. In a world that had biologically engineered MERMAIDS, trained/enhanced dolphins would be like "Oh, so that was the prelude to the mermaids? Sweet." As for the zero plot involvement, they could be frightened off by something. I don't know how Blue ends up there, a crash of some sort? That could frighten off a dolphin with a healthy amount of self-preservation instinct. Maybe something about Liadan made them go "erk! Do not want near!" And then they can 'magically' appear again when Blue takes his next dunk: "Drowning human! Whee fun! We help? We help, SQUEE!!"
Helpful, hurtful?

[identity profile] uneko.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
I was going to mention Pern too.

I dunno too much about the plot you have going here... but.. :)

1) your main characters could be one of a larger expedition. Sort of a "Team A explores this deep sea trench with the scuba bot 9000, Team B will check out these islands and the waters immediatly surrounding them, and take biological samples. Team C will stay here and start running tests on locally collected samples." sort of thing.

In this case, there might be anywhere from three to 6 people, perhaps, on Arun's team.. though I think they would be paired up. You always dive with a partner, there's always someone on the ship monitoring, ready to send out a report of injury, accident, or failure if need be. Krishna could be Arun's partner (MOAR GUILT! he was supposed to be watching out for her...!) and the other people could be mostly backgroundyish characters.

2) the dolphins could be all omgwtf and flee... but, really... they're intelligent creatures in a strange place, brought here by humans... I would figure in most any cases they wouldn't go far from the people they were brought to help protect, unless the people were the cause of why they left. I don't think they'd be trained JUST to provide transport. By the sounds of it, they're suposed to be smart enough to help protect from other dangers as well.. So, they probably do have to care about him to some degree... and not just waltz off randomly. Maybe :)

Anyway, maybe they're scared away one day because of something bignscary in the water and end up hiding somewhere for a while. Most animals that run away and get lost don't end up treking across the world. They are generally found in the same general area. So, just because the humans don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't close by.

Also, to connect the thought of these two bored dolphins and my number 1 point: could be that each team gets a pair of dolphins to help out. it'd make sense. Heck, if you wanted to make them more important, the dolphins COULD even be members of the teams themselves. given the dangers of working in and around water, I could see required training with the dolphins to help learn basic aquatic safety and teamwork,

also: "It feels a little like "everything and the kitchen sink" to me. .... Maybe it's just too much for the suspension of disbelief... T__T"

take it easy. a lot of stories are that way. Take a look at Pern. :) Personally, if I were to eliminate a few of the random 'omgcool' features, I'd leave the dolphins, and twiddle away some of the others. Like... the near photographic memory thing.

Maybe you have answers for it already: but why was it trained into him? :) Personally, unless the plot needs it, I'd just have him have a good memory, especially when he puts his mind to it. or maybe near photographic over the short term, but it fades over time.. My husband has that sort of memory: he can study for a test, remember EVERYTHING but forget 90% of it after. :)

Not to mention, all of the talents the trio has makes their information gathering/retaining skills amazing. A bit TOO much.

Compared, the rest is easy to swallow :)

"genetically engineered mermaids, telepathy, space pirates, telepathic pirates, telepathic mermaids, beasties that look a hell of a lot like water dragons... "

generically engineered mermaids - sounds like a plot point!

Space pirates - you have space travel? You'll have pirates. If people can own ships and travel, then you'll have people out there taking advantage of it.

telepathy, telepatic pirates, telepathic mermaids - All the same thing :) if you want to dull it down a bit, use devices that make telepathy possible for the pirates. Sort of like setting up a wireless network for brains. Have the mermaids be "natural" telepaths. :)

water dragons - if the planet is nearly fully water, then there will be all shapes and sizes of creatures. google "sea dragon" :)

Sorry to ramble.. Sorry if I seem to be critisizing over much... :) But I hope you can find a few ideas nested in my thoughts and that they'll do some good

you're welcome~

[identity profile] uneko.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
WAY late reply, but life's been... lively. Sorry!

1) Concerning finding the bad guys too soon: You know your story and such better then I do, but I'll point out that a planet is a BIG place, and that even a thousand people couldn't explore it all THAT quickly. But, for all *I* know your bad guys are gianormous super intellegent jellyfish that are the size of a small continent. :D Or some sort of mysterious demoniods that will wreak havock upon the world if someone disturbs the three seals left over their final resting place, etcetc. :D

but, to adjust, then... the exploring the solar system seems like a good idea. The system has several features that make it a potentially exciting or useful place for future human habitation, and the team is here partly to scout it out and see if its' true. Thus, one (or two) teams per planet/atmosphere'd planet. :)

Perhaps one of the other planets looks to be a prime candidate for mining some sort of mineral or other resource... Another is a fine prospect for a colony... this planet might be a good one also due to the way the atmosphere reflects/retains the heat, but tends towards being a bit too warm, plus lacks enough dry land to make anything but a undersea colony plausible... however, exploration of earth's own oceans lead to scientists finding numerous cures and treatments for varied ailments... thus leading them to belive that this planet also should have a wealth of scientific and medical value also.

Maybe :)

2) True enough. Just a thought. Hmm.. if you wanted, you could give them some sort of redimentary telepathy, based off of the idea of echo location. Not so much a 'I know what you're thinking' sort of thing, but a simple 'he's there.' sort of thing. It might not even be something humans are aware of. They try to ask about echolocation and they simply respond "I see things" or "I find things" or "I find him." or something. something simple, ambiguous that you can look at later and go "OH!" at :D Have them just show up after a while after he moves, and not explain it until the end.

Have it be weaker with distance.. make the two dolphins work together to get a vague impression of Arun being 'that way' (due to distance), and have it focus into a more precise picture as they travel closer.

Maybe. I'm jsut rumbling ideas around. :D It's a nice creative excercise, even if the ideas aren't good to help you :)

I'm glad you liked the memory idea :D and that makes sence, too :D

As for information retaining.. Just figured I'd point it out:D it might not be a big help with the story, but there ya go :D

[identity profile] armina-skitty.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
*facepalm* Duh! How did I forget about cryo, I'm a scifi buff here! *headdesk x 10* I like that angle. Two scientists and a pilot, pilot breaks leg being planet side, goes "ah well, nappy time for me" Book plot happens "so, uh, what'd I miss?" gets pummeled with hammer for stupid question of the century. Y/N?

I'm getting 'Flipper' flash backs, this is bad. The main two-legs character had an airhorn that he used under water to call flipper and there was another episode where flipper lost his memory (don't ask, maybe they were running out of material >.>;;) and got a new human who used a triangle ring to call him. Sound really travels really, really well underwater so maybe some kind of tone could be used. And the instrument got lost, but ZOMG, there it is, let's use it, and the dolphins were still near-by, or were far, heard the noise and made their way slowly closer.... your choice of course. I like the 'two-tails like our person' thing, that'd make sense
Also, you wouldn't have to make the dolphins sentient, just smarter or more human-attention dependant, like dogs are.
further, maybe during the first dive, one of the dolphins became munchy-crunchies and that's what scared the other one away, only to realize that he/she/it had abandoned his/her human, oh noes, must find way back and fix and- where was her/his human again? O-o
Good bunnies maybe?

[identity profile] mika-kun.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
My personal opinion on the dolphin is the same as mina_skitty it actually helps set up for the mermaids because it shows a lower level interest in altering marine life. Though I do think the only believable thing to do would be to kill them off or abandon them. Lost/found would be really too cliched and unbelievable for me.

The coworker is a really good idea. I was kinda wondering why Arun was alone. Though two does seem rather small unless they were something of an advanced scoot or something. It is a whole planet.

[identity profile] mika-kun.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
scout* not scoot

[identity profile] mika-kun.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, if you mention that they're just the first envoy and that maybe the weren't really expecting to find much then supposed to be three but actually two isn't too strange.

[identity profile] katharos-8.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
Are other mermaid pods going to appear later in the fic? Maybe the dolphins ran into them when they were fleeing and there was dolphin/mermaid bonding. Do the mermaids have anything like domesticated animals? I could see doplhins being very useful to them at the same time as having adorableness value. Maybe at the end the mermaids could be 'we would like more dolphins please' and their could be much intercultural exchange while the humans stand on the side feeling rather left out.

[identity profile] armina-skitty.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
"Problem being even if a mermaid pod finds the dolphins, i can't write it because I'm keeping a strict POV."

You could always try something from the dolphin's POV, that actually happens a lot in different stories. A little interlude for the view point of an animal just to spice things up.

I actually like the idea that a mermaid pod bonded with the dolphins. Them being social, playful critters, they got COMPLETELY sidetracked until something big happened near-by and 'look there's a two-legs in trouble! Must help!' ^^;; Maybe?

[identity profile] rurounitriv.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
One thing to consider on the dolphin front is that dolphins' natural abilities would make them excellent explorers. Some of the things that we at this point know that dolphins can do is tell when someone is pregnant and IIRC have also been proven to be able to detect a variety of health problems that take complicated medical testing for humans. They also can detect submerged items (or creatures) buried under the sand, communicate over miles with each other without radios, and are quite dangerous when provoked. Plus there's the whole thing where they're just flat-out faster and better adapted to marine conditions. So yeah, I can see the sense in using them to explore a water world.

With a bit of genetic modification to make it possible for them to communicate with humans directly (or heck, just a little translator-device) I could see them being full team members, (because I suspect that the estimates of them being as smart as a 2 year old are serious underestimations of dolphin intelligence). So maybe Arun and Krish are the land-side of the team, there's a couple dolphins on the sea-side of the team, and in all the chaos they get separated? The guilt for abandoning Krish, who he doesn't even like, would be even worse because he had to leave them too, and he knows there's Big Nasties in the sea which would be happy to have dolphins for a snack and the odds are good that even if they survive and he survives they'll never find each other again.

That could even be a subplot, trying to find any word of where they are or if they survive.

[identity profile] armina-skitty.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, now feel free to tell me to just STFU right now if I'm being to interfering.

Sign Language. THere are test that show sign recognition in SHARKS, of all things. Arun could have a board with various symbols that represent various things and he could use basic symbols asking about dangerous things vs. dangerous currents vs. food, etc. Don't even need genetic manipulation! This is what dolphins are being trained and tested for right now!

Shutting up now >>;;;;;;;

[identity profile] armina-skitty.livejournal.com 2008-05-04 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
*exaggerated brow-wipe* Phew, okay, I wasn't sure if I was being too annoying or not. Glad to know that my years of being a nature program dweeb is helping.
And as for the board, Arun can make hand signs, sure, but the dolphin is going to have to poke the appropriate symbols with his nose if Arun is going to understand what it's trying to say. Thus, the board.

[identity profile] sailor-comet.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
HEY

HEY ASUKA

GUESS WHAT SONG WAS STUCK IN MY HEAD ALL YESTERDAY =E

XD

Anyway, ooooh, new pic I haven't seen~ I like the shading on Arun's face there. Also thoughts on Krish are cool--again, love all the thought you put into this world/plot. And thinking on it, it does make much more sense for somebody to go exploring with partners or teammates rather than alone.

[identity profile] sailor-comet.livejournal.com 2008-05-02 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Hahaha, well I had a lot of fun in Spain yesterday! ... until my cold really kicked in and kicked my ass, so I didn't go out today except to get food. XD;;; uh I hope you don't get sick from me. I thought it was getting better, this is ridiculous that I haven't been able to shake it yet.

[identity profile] mandy347.livejournal.com 2008-05-03 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
I like the dolphins, but if you do want to drop the dolphins and want the water ways within the ship, can the ship be equipped with the water ways for trained dolphins even though Arun's group didn't bring any with them this mission? There could be several reasons to explain why dolphins are used for some dives and not others. (Not going to be there long enough, not going deep enough, bureaucratic/paperwork squabbles, mission has a low priority, etc.) If you do keep the dolphins, I vote they go to a nice mermaid pod.

Also, Arun's memory - Does it need to be described as something special? He seems like the sort of person who'd just pick up weird trivia from parents/teachers.
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[personal profile] tephra 2008-05-03 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
Bored, so have a link about the US Navy and their use of marine mammals. I think the dolphins make a lot of sense for an exploration team sent to a planet that is mostly ocean. They can dive deeper than humans to retrieve things, or to bring items like cameras closer to deeper objects, and they work well as a warning/defense patrol to guard a diver.

The dolphins would also make it feel more reasonable that there were only two humans in the team, otherwise I'd expect at least three, one on the ship and two diving. With the dolphins watching the diver you can get by with only two people.

As for them getting split off from Arun and "lost", well... shit happens. Arun can have more guilt.
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[personal profile] tephra 2008-05-03 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd expect that protocol would be that if one of the three humans was injured the expedition would be either called back or required to cease potentially dangerous operations until a replacement arrived. Of course there's nothing saying that if there's a deadline the remaining members would continue working while waiting and justify it as "not that dangerous" after the fact with their nice pile of data.
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[identity profile] darksea.livejournal.com 2008-05-03 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
I love these posts of yours. And this time I actually have comments beyond incoherent squee! So.

Pose!pic: The EYES. And Blue's hair curling at the ends. ♥ And the pose says things to me like, "we're so different, but we're partners, and we know it, and we can kick your ass too." Woo, symbolism.

Dolphins:
1. They seem to reduce the everything-and-the-kitchen-sink factor for me, actually. It's like, lalala, fantastical science space opera la oh cool something real too! YAY. Ties into the science thing, grounds the story a bit more, and gives us-the-reader another connection to the characters in this way-far future setting. (Yes, we in the future use the power of internal combustion to go zipping all over the place and reduce months of travel to a single day. We also still walk, and we still eat bread. The dolphins keep the story from feeling outlandishly-advanced-science-y.)
2. Which is really just a long and convoluted way of saying that, for me at least, they help with the suspension of disbelief.
3. If you need to get rid of them, it's always possible that the attacking space pirates kill them. Because they were sentries, or could have been sentries, or might have helped Arun et al repulse the intruders, or whatever. And the destruction of innocents is a pretty good way to establish who the bad-guys are.

Somewhere in the comments, information gathering/retaining skills ... TOO much: Actually, it's more like we're lazy, since we've got the internets to look things up for us and talk to people and such, and computers to store the information, so we don't have to. Your average person today would never be able to memorize one of the Vedas, for example, though they were preserved orally for ages because the paper deteriorated too fast to make it worth using for long-term information storage. Your average person today also doesn't have the "super-strength" of the ancient Greek sailors, mostly because they don't spend 10-15 hours a day rowing, every day, from age 13 or so onwards. Now, trained near-perfect recall would be strange today, with our culture, and —

Arun's memory: — it would probably also be somewhat unusual (something to be proud of?) in Arun's culture as well, since it sounds like it operates a lot with and is therefore pretty heavily dependent on computers, which would contribute to shorter attention spans, less patience, and poorer memory like it does today, but... It would even things up somewhat. Balance things? Because Arun and Blue are both human-human (and male) and Líadan is not; and Blue and Líadan are both telepathic-y and Arun is not... so the memory thing, with the mermaids' most reliable means of permanent records being an oral tradition, would complete the triangle thus: both Arun and Líadan have near/perfect recall (at least for important things) and Blue does not.

Okay, must stop blathering now.
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[identity profile] darksea.livejournal.com 2008-05-03 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
Also! (aaagh, Darcy can't stop talking~~) I looked again at the pose!picture, and I think I see where you're getting the short arms impression from. It's not that the arms are short, it's his hand that's really long. I tried out the pose on myself, and either (a) the wrist showed, and the rest of the hand was hidden behind the arm till around the knuckles, or (b) to get the back of the hand to be visible, the wrist was hidden. Since Blue's left hand is also dangling (or at least, I don't see the fingers splayed along the inside of his upper right arm), I'd go with option b. And sticking the wrist into hidden-space would lengthen the left arm, as well.

Eh, now I feel odd because I suck at drawing people. If I'm being... thing. Where it doesn't really matter, but some annoying person insists on pointing out all the mistakes you already knew about, thank you. If I'm being that annoying person, just ignore me.
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[personal profile] tephra 2008-05-04 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] tephra 2008-05-04 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
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