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askerian ([personal profile] askerian) wrote2008-01-14 08:10 pm
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A Rant.

Have you ever been thrown out of a story, not because "this character would never act like that" but because "a human would never act like that"? I'm thinking of two, recent-ish, that were otherwise fairly well-constructed stories, with plot, intrigues, nice prose, and decent dialogue, but there was something off about the worldbuilding that just didn't work.



-The first was a time-travel fanfic. One of the premises was "In the future, almost everyone is of mixed ethnicities so everyone's hair/eyes/skin is colored varying shades of brown." Okay, I'll buy that easily. "Therefore, blonde hair/blue eyes are extremely rare sights and so are considered extremely attractive." Still easily believable. Except the next step was "therefore EVERYONE stares at this guy wherever he goes with hunger and awe because everyone has brown or black hair and he stands out SO MUCH and EVERYONE WANTS TO DO HIM" where it should have been "therefore many people dye their hair and use colored contacts like crazy, and people tend to assume he's just got a pretty awesome hairdresser before they get close enough to check his roots."

I was like "dude, it's the future, WHERE IS THE ENVIRONMENT-FRIENDLY HAIR DYE." People have only been bleaching and applying henna to their hair for dozens of centuries. If there is a reason given why hairdressers are now considered taboo, I would have liked to hear it in the fic -- at least make the blond guy raise the issue! He's from an era where one girl out of two has blonde highlights or some kind of unnatural red-purple shade. It wasn't enough to make me stop reading the fic, but it did make me eyeroll everytime someone did a double-take and hit on him because ooooh, blonde and blue eyes, so rare, so sexy~



-The second was kind of like hitting a wall ten steps after the running start. After that, I couldn't buy anything from the premises at all, and so I didn't keep reading. It killed the story.

Premises: a group of humans crash-land on a very dangerous planet. The adults promptly die off, the kids fall back to a primitive clan-like arrangement and into a prey/always scared mindset. They grow up, breed, things go on.

Sounds good so far.

Except somehow they'd totally lost the knack to use weapons. And by weapons I don't mean guns, I mean spears and pointy rocks. Up until the Gary Stu du jour suddenly "figured out" that he could *gasp* pick up things! and throw them! and kill bad things with it! And then the clan of mopey-scared "wahh we're only born to be monster food" idiots is all "ooh, no one ever thought of that." Sounds like a job for Darwin and his Chainsaw of Natural Selection right there. :|

Everyone who's ever babysitted a couple of toddlers knows that it would take a lot, a LOT more than a couple of generations growing up in the wild for the human animal to lose the instinct to happily bash its little playmates over the head with a plastic rake. A TODDLER.

A kid raised by wolves might lose the ability to use tools. But then it would also lose the ability to speak and to socialize with others on a human model. THEREFORE THEY WOULDN'T BE A HUMAN CLAN, NOW WOULD THEY, THEY'D BE A PACK OF GRUNTING, MENTALLY RETARDED CREATURES. And they weren't even raised by alien creatures! They raised each other! They weren't alone in a pack of aliens -- they were in a group of other humans, why wouldn't they imprint each other! Argh.

It wasn't a "I'm 13 and this is my first fic yay bizarre worlds!" story either. The guy who wrote that was an adult and published. No excuse. >:(



Anyone's got examples like that? I'm in a pitchforky mood and need some pointing and laughing. Or teeth-gnashing, I don't know. >.>

[identity profile] windandwater.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I don't know if this counts, but every fic I read today had the cliche of "I love you, so I'm gonna rape you and THAT'S TOTALLY OKAY."

>_>;;

And I was reading fics from different fandoms.
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[identity profile] stripedpetunia.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't read anything for a while, fanfic or no, but thank you for killing me with lulz here. The hair and eye colour thing especially had me rolling.

How about in Angels and Demons, by Dan Brown, which I have countless problems with (antimatter blowing up the world LOLZ), but of which the most obvious stupid part was this:

There are these seals or stamps or whatever, one for each element, that were, what did they call them... *googles*... AMBIGRAMS. Anyway the images were stylized words that looked exactly the same right side up or upside down. The part that got me was how he was all, 'these ambigrams are thought impossible to do, no one's ever seen them, these stamps are amazing, blah blah fishcakes'. And yet. They're printed right there on the page of the book. And the cover of the book has the title as an ambigram too. What the hell, Dan Brown. What the hell.

The moral of the story is that famous, rich, published authors can suck just as much as your typical underaged fanfic writer.

[identity profile] annwyd.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG yes. I tried to read Angels & Demons before The Da Vinci Code and hated it so much that a) I couldn't read past the first few chapters (really rare for me and bookhaet) and b) I could never touch anything else by Dan Brown either. That was one of the things that pissed me off too. XD
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[identity profile] stripedpetunia.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I finished that one out of sheer bloodymindedness. XD I had read DaVinci Code first though, and didn't despise that. I don't get how people think Angels & Demons is actually a better book. It has made me lose my faith in people's taste and sense. I already knew Dan Brown had no sense, or he wouldn't write like he does.

Or maybe he just doesn't care, and likes the smell of money.

[identity profile] joisbishmyoga.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
That reminds me of a world intro'd at the end of a published, otherwise good book. (It was a dropoff for one of the characters; hundreds of worlds were engineered.) Some sort of pseudocommunist utopia experiment: everybody was an identical, hermaphroditic type that had sex once, got pregnant once, and had one kid. Except the rulers, who were clones maybe a centimeter taller and with hair a shade darker, who the people would all respond to with instant estrus.

Yyyyyyyyeah. Obviously more a harem fantasy than anything viable, especially considering that disease and accidents would decimate a population that can only replace itself at a 1:1 rate.

But what really got me is that nobody had hair dye, tattoos, contacts, makeup, body paint, clothes, or scars. Not even accidental scars. WTF. You can't engineer people that far away from being human. There should be a widespread fashion of nonconformity at least, a booming business in makeup, hair dye, hairstyling, tattoos... and if the gov't has laws against that, a huge underground market for scarring and mutilation.

[identity profile] tricia1224.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I was going to buy Angels & Demons. Thank you for keeping me from making a mistake. I did read Da Vinci Code, but it really didn't do much for me. I do write for myself occasionally, then I go back, read over what I wrote and delete it because it make no sense.
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[identity profile] stripedpetunia.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
You should stop deleting those, they could be New York Times bestsellers! XD

[identity profile] windandwater.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
... why am I having horrible flashback to Piers Anthony? I blame this on you. I almost forgot the pain. ;__;

[identity profile] joisbishmyoga.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
That reminds me, I have old books to get rid of. ¬¬ I didn't develop any taste in my reading material under after several years of fanfiction.

[identity profile] sadieko.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I've encountered this several times in fic/books before, but there is one in particular that always stuck with me.

It was a from scifi book with this alien species that was was extremely sexist; women were property and there was an "free access" rule in effect meaning that a guy could have sex with any woman he wanted, anywhere, any time - provided she wasn't owned by a man that would protest.

One chapter was from the POV a woman in this species. It was pretty much a horrible telling of her getting power the only way available to her (i.e. by hooking up with a powerful man) and all the terrible things she subjected herself to for beauty or had to endure, etc. and so forth.

It was actually fairly interesting for a while, if only because it was different to see an abuse woman character who "played the game" as much as the people repressing her, as opposed to the typical stalwart "I will survive this for the good of all womankind" characters more commonly seen in situations like this.

But then. At the end of her chapter, she's dying and the narrative goes into this two page long introspective where she exalts in her repressed position in life and believes it has brought her true spiritual freedom greater than than the "supposed freedom" of women in other species in the galaxy.

I was done with the book at that point.

[identity profile] sadieko.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, now I'm curious what the second story you mentioned is called!

[identity profile] windandwater.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, it boggled me that it's normal for declarations of love to be accompanied by rape. XP

[identity profile] joisbishmyoga.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
*CURSES YOU OUT*
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[identity profile] na-no-nai.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh gosh, back in dbz fandom when I pretty much read ... well, everything, I was astounded by the sheer number of otherwise decent fics by relatively decent writers who fucked it all up when it came to sex. And by that I don't mean failed at writing smut, because oddly enough, that wasn't half bad (sometimes even good!) I'm talking about basics of human sexuality, like the girl being 20-something years old and having never experienced arousal of ANY KIND before, and more than that, not even knowing what it was when it happened. *facepalm*

I'm sure it was meant to be all 'Vegeta is just that fucking awesome' but come on! Every girl who's ever gone through puberty should understand arousal even if it maybe isn't something they experience often. Not to mention the fact that society has ALWAYS placed a great deal of importance on sex in some form or fashion, whether it be for procreation, fun, or something spiritual. Let's face it; as a species, we're obsessed. XD

[identity profile] the-deer-boy.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Well World series by Jack l. Chalker? You forgot about the hive-mentality brain-washing.

I decided that he could have his little nonsense plot devices and moved on. But.. yea-no. >.>

[identity profile] aubuyn.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
HA. I know the exactly fanfic you're talking about with the first one. I just recently took it off of my alerts list. It had such good characterization in the beginning, and was so promising...! And then turned into the typical SasuNaru that every fanbrat and their Mary Sues crave. I finally just called it quits when she started abusing Sakura's character.

[identity profile] midnigh-unicorn.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Let's put it this way: unless I know the *author* is decent, like you, I don't even touch multi-chapter fics anymore. It's actually getting harder for me to pick up real books by authors I don't know, because I'm such a picky reader. I'm probably missing a lot of decent stuff, but my fear of crap and avoidance of feelings of disgust is stronger.

[identity profile] midnigh-unicorn.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I confess I kind of liked both books. Not so much because of the plot or (lack of) suspense, but the little bits of fact, accurate or not, were presented in a way that snaged my fancy. Although when I read Angels and Demons I was like, hm, where have I seen this plot before? Oh, yes! Da Vinci Code!
(Spoiler for those who haven't read!!)
I did like Langdon's near death scene's in the fountain and crypt, though.

[identity profile] tricia1224.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
True. I would not want to have that mind boggling gibberish read by anyone else.

[identity profile] kohikari.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Misery Business? By...um...I think it's Ladelle...100K+ words. Starts out randomly shiny and sci-fi and TIME TRAVEL. Then...um, apparently women have almost died out so all the men are gay. XD

(Because I think I recognized it too. I dunno if we're all talking about different fanfic or what, but just to check.)

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