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I'm praying for a NarutoxSakura ending with a little male Naruto as the baby. Sasuke is just to cold, and solitary to be anything close to marriage material. But, thats just my opinion. xD

Wait.

What.

HELLO? SOMEONE JUST MISSED THE POINT BY THREE THOUSAND MILES.

When I said this fic was NaruSasuSaku, threesome, not triangle, this was exactly what I meant.

They are not going to break up into a couple and an outsider. They are a threesome, and they are going to grow closer, as a threesome and as the three individual couples, and they will be happy, all three of them.

Also, it kinda stinks of "zomg Sasuke doesn't deserve Sakura, Naruto is sooo much better than him." *hiss*

Love isn't a goddamn competition. Sakura doesn't give a shit that Naruto would probably be more openly affectionate; he would also be more goofy, embarrass her in public, she would have to beat manners into him regularly, and he would possibly be unreliable for small daily details. If she still wants the kind of traditional marriage she seemed to want as a little girl, Sasuke is a better husband. (maybe not a better lover, but a better husband.)

And if she had to give up on Sasuke to have Naruto? Sakura would most probably choose not to date either of them than to just date Naruto. Sasuke and Naruto are close. They're damn close. Not traditionally, maybe, but there's a bond there and she knows it. Dating Naruto would be constantly throwing in Sasuke's face that he wasn't good enough and now that they're done bonding over their common desire to get Sasuke back where he belongs -- with them -- Naruto and Sakura can finally grow past him and into the truelove they were meant to have, and that now they have more important things in their lives than him, namely each other. She would never do that to Sasuke, when she isn't in love with Naruto in the first place. (I'm not saying people can't write her as eventually falling for Naruto, but right now in canon, it sure looks like she loves him, but isn't in love with him, and that's all the difference in the world.)

(So if there hadn't been the baby, Naruto probably would have ended up with Hinata -- except Hinata is with Kiba oh snap! Ino, then, maybe; Sakura with Lee, and ZOMG Sasuke would have died old, miserable and alone just likehe deserves.

That or with Neji. Because homosexuals who fit Sasuke's standards of kickassery in Konoha aren't that common, so hey. u.u

But it wouldn't have mattered, because they would still be a team, and who they shack up with really is secondary.)

Also, what the fuck is this obsession of fanpoodles to have all kids be a little clone of one of the parents? Or sometimes a sue-mix where they take the best characteristics on both sides and throw them together in a wobbly little construct without any originality? hsssss.

I was tempted to pull out a spoiler about the baby to illustrate my point, but I will just say this: My mother has no imagination of her own, and my father only reads sports magazines. My grandmother thinks towel embroidery is all the kind of art one needs in their life, and more than that is silly, pointless flights of fancy. So where do I get the story crafting and the love of books and the drawing? Where do I get my laziness, when my father started working at 16 and my mother has two jobs and loves them both? Answer: I DIDN'T GET THEM FROM ANYONE, THEY'RE MINE. JUST MINE. Babies aren't paper dolls onto which you paste the mom's smile and the father's shishi rendan and the grandfather's police chief-ness and whatnot. They're people, and some of what they are might be SIMILAR to what their parents are, but they're not mix'n'match copies, goddamnit.

Rrrgh.

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UGH I HATE THAT I HATE IT SO MUCH I HATE PEOPLE WARPING TEAM/THREESOME/WHATEVER FICS TO SUIT THEIR PERSONAL PAIRING PREFERENCES *froth*

Not to mention I hate the idea that the more supposedly "sane" and "intelligent" NaruSaku fans toss around that Sasuke would be happy to see Naruto and Sakura together, because it's not like he's in love with Sakura, and he'd just be happy to see them happy! :D :D :D

Which is funny, coming from the sort of people who talk about how much more mature/better Naruto is--if they think Sasuke is such bad boyfriend material, don't they realize that he's insecure? That he'd feel left behind when he saw his two teammates happy with just each other? (Naruto, at least, has already moved past that point on the romantic front; it helps that he's formed non-romantic bonds with both his teammates so that he can be close to them even if they're not fucking him. Although, on that front, why not. I'm sure he'll be good in bed once he gets some experience.) Nope, to them he's just a plot device for getting Naruto and Sakura together. His own personality doesn't matter. :P

And uhhh, the whole point of children OCs, for me anyway, is that you get to look at the way they can be influenced by their parents and environment, can inherit a few things, but still grow up as their own person. I guess expecting fandom to appreciate that is too much.

Sasuke might not allow himself to love Sakura, and hey, maybe he's really gay and thus wouldn't have fallen for her back anyway, but she gave herself to him, and even if he didn't take her up on it, it made him feel glad. Because he was loved, and that's important. So for her to take her love back just like that, and give it to his rival? "Oh, alright, sure, go ahead." What the fuck no. *kills people with you* è.é

Also: http://askerian.deviantart.com/journal/10318491/ u___u;;;;; I'm ranting all over the place tonight.

ahaha, you make a good point in that rant there, too: an OT3 isn't two pairings mashed together because you can't choose. That's just two pairings mashed together because you can't choose. In Bleach, I love both UraYoru and YoruSoi, but not the threesome, because it doesn't work that way.

(admittedly, in my NaruSasuSaku Sasuke is likely to be the closest thing to a 'pivot' the relationship has, but Naruto and Sakura also love each other, dammit. Sasuke just brings out the most intense feelings in them.)

... You're right, UraYoruSoi sounds incredibly wrong. D: The dynamics just don't match up. Urahara would be the kind to be all "ahaha, sure you can play with your subordinate, I'm not insecure" which Soi would take as "I'm not insecure because she's no competition". Also, Soi is very devoted to Yoruichi, and if they ever got past the passionate admiration/yearning and into a real relationship, she wouldn't conceive of sharing that love. It would hurt her horribly, to have Yoruichi get together with her and then keep on seeing other people. She might feel used, and she would definitely be miserable.

Do Urahara and Soi Fong even interact in canon? I totally forget. D:

/tangent. XD

(yees, me too. XD it tends to lean toward Sasuke mostly being the one they both love/need. Perhaps even what they love in each other is partly that crazy devotion to Sasuke... hee. XD)

I tend to see Soi Fong as being...frustrated that Yoruichi would get together with her and see other people, but also accepting, because eventually she'd realize that that's Yoruichi. Actually, I think it would go in phases. "I don't mind if Yoruichi has other lovers because I would never question anything Yoruichi-sama does." --> "I'm uncomfortable with Yoruichi having other lovers because am I not good enough for her, shouldn't I be enough?" --> "Yoruichi-sama will have other lovers because that is what she does, she is no one's, but there is a part of her that will always be mine alone."

But then, I can't really see Yoruichi as monogamous, although eventually she might hit that stage with Soi Fong. But it'd be a long time.

I just can't see it working as a threesome, because while Soi Fong wouldn't always be the jealous type, she would be...a solitary type in her love. During the time in which she did get to have Yoruichi, she wouldn't want to share her. And her relationship with Yoruichi is just so completely different from Yoruichi's with Urahara that it's absurd to try to mix them.

But hey, LOL threesome it's so perfect let's throw them together and make actual thinking threesome fans look bad! :D :D :D

(I've gotten asked for UraYoruSoi on ficlet prompt memes a couple times. Both times, it came out with Soi Fong being very twitchy and defensive. Poor bee.)

Hmm. She would eventually accept it because that's who Yoruichi is, yes, but I'd think she wouldn't want to hear about it either. And solitary in her love -- that's a very good way to put it. ^^

I tend to see UraYoru as one of these "we've fought back to back for centuries and we like to snark at each other and we have a sort of quiet kinship-ness and we're both incredibly hot pimpmasters, so hey, why not add sex wo the mix". XD;;;; I think for me they resonate as fuckbuddies more than true love, but then their dynamic wasn't the one I concentrated most on, so I probaby missed things. :p

Soi Fong's utter devotion was kind of hard to miss, though. XD ("I hate you! die die die -- why didn't you take me with you?" = *heartbreak* ;____;)

Agreed. She loves Yoruichi and wouldn't try to change something as fundamental to her as her independence, but she wouldn't have to like its sexual manifestations. And Yoruichi would learn not to go on about them, because if there's anyone she's outright kind to, it's Soi Fong. (Sort of like Sasuke and Sakura, actually...to me YoruSoi is a lot like a yuri version of SasuSaku, only more grown-up and with more fighting. XD)

And yeah, that's exactly what UraYoru is. They know each other, they're partners, and since Yoruichi exudes sex, might as well do it occasionally. :D Even though they're probably both gay in canon--I see Yoruichi as more omnisexual than anything, and Urahara emerges from his faggotry long enough to be topped by his swordsoul in his dreams and Yoruichi in reality. XD

Ahaha. Weirdly... I see this as a mix between a yuri version of SasuSaku... and an echo of ItaSasu. It's the "why did you betray me?! HATE YOU" angle, I think. Mrrrrrrr. 'course, Itachi did much, much worse, but sometimes I'm wondering how much Sasuke might have forgiven just to keep his brother. But of course Itachi didn't want him, so now Sasuke's going "... well, I didn't want you either!" I don't know if this makes sense, i'm kinda tired. XD

Aha! They ping me the same way. Yoruichi is probably omnisexual, yes, and Urahara is way too... I dunno, dandy-like? flamboyant? to be straight. X3 (maybe bi? or maybe strong-sexual. But not just plain, boring straight.)

Huh, you do have a point there, that sense of betrayal. (Because Sakura expected Sasuke to leave. Soi Fong would never expect Yoruichi to leave, because Soi Fong loves the rules and she loves Yoruichi, so naturally she assumes on some level that Yoruichi loves the rules too even if it's obvious she doesn't, really...and oh, the shock when she realizes she was wrong.)

Heeee, yeah. I'm told that Urahara uses the most feminine form possible of "I" (watashi? or is it atashi? I forget). XD I tend to think that he's...probably supposed to be gay, but I read him as sciencesexual: attracted to whatever is intriguing and new and can be experimented on. But at the same time, I don't think he'd actively put the moves on somebody he's currently experimenting on, because that would be Damaging The Data. Hence, attracted to Ichigo, but not actually going to do anything about it except flirt with him to see the reaction. XD

I just wanted to say I love both of you so very, very much. Because you guys rock like that.

Yeah, not that I speak Japanese but when I listen to the sub he does use the most girly-- ahem, polite versions for everything. Like "Now your esteemed self is going to be killed by me, if you don't mind. :D" It cracks me up. The contrast between that and his kickassitude is pure awesome.

Flirtingest flirt that ever flirted. XD

You scared me for a moment when you mentioned spoiler. D:

It seems to me that the rapid OMG Y CANT U SEE THEY'RE PERFECT 2GETHER! fangurls seem to miss the ever important fact that no one is freaking perfect. X.x You can slap any 2 characters together and there's going to be at least some problems, but then again these are the same people who apparently can't pay attention to author's notes for an A/U that's in its sequel already, so yeah. *pets* Want some cheetos?

Yeah. =__=;; They're so quick to make their pairing of choice perfect and to point at the faults in all other pairings as if that means NOT ALLOWED TO EXIST. gnnnh.

yes plz. T_T

...was she just offering her opinion or was there more to that comment then you posted? 'Cause it didn't seem imflammatory to me. She was just stating what she (I am assuming it is a she) hoped to see. As you continue to write the fic, she can decide whether or not to keep reading.

There was a lot of "ZOMG I LOVE TEAMWORK".

Followed by this, which to me translates as "i hope Naruto and Sakura ditch the bastard".

Hello, button.

And to me it also sounded as if she assumed the threesome was temporary -- she "hopes" that it will end with her pairing of choice, meaning that she assumes it's a possibility; if she knew that it wasn't a possibility she would have said something like "i would have prefered" or "usually I like X better"; but no, she "hoped" -- which ZOMG POINT OF THE WHOLE FIC WHY ARE YOU READING IF YOU THINK IT'S ANOTHER OF THOSE "WHO WILL SHE CHOOSE" ROMANCES AURGH. It's not like I didn't warn a bazilion times that it was a threesome and not a triangle.

... yeah. Button.

I was much more polite in my reply to her, but hey. Lj. I can bitch if I want to.

Damn. I'm reminding of a comment my mom made this summer about people not needing brains to buy a boat, they just need money. It's too bad that people don't need brains to read and comment, just internet access.

I love Teamwork, and I love the messiness of the three of them trying to figure out how they all fit together. (this conversation hit a bit close to home tonight, as I had a conversation about 3person dynamics tonight.) It's not easy when all three are indispensable, and over the years the relationships shift. And I like the way you capture that. (for those of us living in the real world, with real relationships rather than omg happily ever after fairytales.)

sorry, that was me

heh. Nice quote. ^_^

♥ Thank you, I'm glad. I'm trying to portray it well, but it's not like I have much real life experience with threesomes, alas. u.u But it's so much more interesting to make it messy and complicated and subtle, instead of stamping them all with the "perfect true love" stamp and be done with it.

It's also rather complicated sometimes, and i'm never sure where it's too much or not enough. ~____~;;; So yay, thanks for liking it anyway. ^__^

*blushes* It's not threesomes, per se, that I have experience with, but... actually, it is kind of a threesome, just not a sexual one. Huh.

*brain stalled out by that realization*

So, I guess I agree with your point about Team 7 even more, they are a threesome regardless of who/how many of them are sleeping with each other.

You do a damn good job of portraying what I think of as the dynamics common to all threesomes within the specific context of this one. At least, the ways Teamwork does and doesn't parallel my experience seem to me to match up pretty well to the ways that I and my lovers aren't Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke (thank god). So, y'know, go you.

(And I am much looking forward to the next bit of it!)

I agree with your mom, yes, you can buy a boat with money, that's all you need, but to sail the boat and not die, brains are not optional.

of course, then we welcome in the fabulous Mr. Darwin! yaaaaaaaaay evolution.

Also, what the fuck is this obsession of fanpoodles to have all kids be a little clone of one of the parents?

because Kishimoto Did It First. ♥

... ZING.

XD;;;;; to be frank, it's one thing that bugs me a bit, but at the same time the personalities hint at being different enough ~~and they're all inbred anyway~~ so it's kinda tolerable. XD;;;

But. Damn you for being right. XDDDD;;;

D: Yeah, that...makes no sense. Why would they ditch Sasuke? Why would she be reading a NaruSasuSaku fic if she wants NaruSaku?

I feel the icon is somewhat appropriate.

*steals the icon* LOL Love the icon

... okay, yes, the icon is very close to my point. XD ♥

Well, I dunno what god she's praying to, but she's gonna have to close her eyes and click her heels together and WISH REAL HARD. And it still won't come true. ^^

Also, homg you had me in stitches at 'towel embroidery'. XDDD Love.

... *giggles* Okay, that's a great mental picture.

♥

The best part is, my services are free. :D

ALSO, this post and its comments set off a muse and I have been writing fic for the past, oh, three hours. I NEED TO SLEEP DAMMIT. *weeps for lack of sleep and work being accomplished*

If it's all just a matter of a misunderstanding (misread or suchlike), it's irritating of course, but not much to do about it expect to admonish the one makign the mistake, telling him/her to read twice about what the fanfic is about or something.

If it was a deliberately made comment, however, then it's another matter. And of course in such cases one might ask why the person in question reads a fanfic that is clearly not focused on that person's favourite pairing only (which is by itself nothing strange, but to know that the fic in question doesn't only focus on the favourite pairing only and then despite this knowledge making a comment like that...).

And now it has all burst out in a _sort of_ pairing-debate... Well, for that debate, I think I shall keep my opinions to myself. Sufflice to say, however, that there's a number of things I want to happen before Naruto ends - and one of those things happens to be the reunion of Team 7.. ^___^.

Heh, it wasn't a flame, just a very sunshinny "lol i hope it ends in narusaku with sasuke alone because it's so much better lolololol", which added up to a ton of other little comments, and then I went splodies.

I was a lot more polite my my original reply, but I did tell her that if she wanted to see that, then maybe she was missing the point of my fic and something else might be more adapted to her tastes. (She replied to say that if I was going to be like that, then maybe she wouldn't read the rest. Well then, alright. :D)

Bah. I think NaruSaku could be a very cute couple, yes, but not before getting Sasuke back and making sure that Sasuke is happy. Or getting better, at least -- and sufficiently better that they feel they can relax and stop worrying about him. If they don't have to worry about him anymore, I could see NaruSaku with Sasuke as a close platonic friend easily; but as long as Sasuke is trying to self-destruct they'll always be fretting about him first. u.u;

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dsdragonster.

Ugh. I HATE the fans who mess with a threesome just so their OTP get to live happily ever after. I hate it when fans who don't understand the concept of a threesome think they do. In general...

SasuNaru fans' version = SasuNaru + Sakura the free fuck
SasuSaku fans' version = SasuSaku + NaruSaku + eww yaoi
NaruSaku fans' version = NaruSaku + we're allowing Sasuke the loser to join just because we're nice :D + eww yaoi

The problem with most Team 7 threesomes is that their focus is wrong. IMO, Sasuke is the one who links Naruto and Sakura together, not Naruto and not Sakura. Many het fans make the mistake on putting the focus on Sakura in Team 7 threesome fics. (And I won't even go into the yaoi fans' version of threesome fics.) They don't seem to realize that Sasuke is the one who ignites all the raw emotions (anger, pain, despair, sadness, etc.) from Naruto and Sakura. And without the proper focus, it's just a recipe to failure.

And the "zomg Sasuke doesn't deserve Sakura, Naruto is sooo much better than him." seems to be the new attitude that the recent growing NaruSaku fandom is holding. Nevermind that Sakura doesn't care that Naruto is sooooo much better than Sasuke. If she were to choose a guy deserving of her, it would be Lee or probably some random OC who lives a normal life. But then again, those people seem to be of the mind that Naruto is Jesus and can/will be able to achieve ANYTHING. That's why their Naruto-Sue and Sakura-Sue are so perfect together.

hahahhaha lol. i love your description of the fan's thoughts... luckily enough, there are other types too ^^ as a naruxsasu-fan myself, i know, because i can still read and love other pairings, just because they are the ones offered to me in a great story ^^ and sometimes that pairing is also what makes the story so very excellent!

*giggles*

You forget the Slut!SakuraSue + Naru and Sasu the platonic friends who share everything, even their hoes. XD But word!

*agreeing with you yey* that's a nice way of putting it. ^___^

Sasuke as the focus of Team 7: thankyouthankyouthankyou.

...And NaruSaku could be done right in a pre-OT3 setting. Because NaruSaku is all about getting the Sasuke back. Yes. "They don't seem to realize that Sasuke is the one who ignites all the raw emotions (anger, pain, despair, sadness, etc.) from Naruto and Sakura." I'm afraid canon logic bears very little importance in those people's minds ~~because omg how can redeem Sasuke! Sasuke is ebil!~~.

And you said it so much better. Ah well.

seconded. everything. shoot them; threesomes are awesome.

if a fic tells you ; this is the peiring i offer you, like it; read it and love it. don't like it; whatever, move on. where is it so goddamned hard?

and then you can of course prefer another pairing then the one written, but you can still enjoy the story, right? i mean, naruxsasuxsaku isn't my ultimate naruto pairing, but when i read stories with that threesome i make sure to forget about my own preferencies as long as i do, because that is how it is supposed to be in that story.

a stpry is what the author makes it, and as a reader, one should just shut up and enjoy what is given to you. then if you like it, or have somethin contructive to say; yay, great, tell the author, but the hell? where on earth does it say that an author likes to get reviews that tells them that "hey, i like your story, but you're thinking wrong here and here." it's not your goddamn story and if you don't like how it's written, shut up!

...ehm... sorry. i think you set off soem kind of engine now... ehm... //////

i just got angry, having received a lot of weird reviews on my stories recently. kinda just needed it out of my system... sorry that it came out in your journal...

but really; THREESOMES FOREVER!!! XXD

OMG U SHOULD HAVE SAKURA DIE GIVIN BIRTH AN MAKE TEH BEHBEH A GORGIS GIRL WIF BLONGE HAIR AN SHARINGAN PLUS KYUUBI CHAKRA AN HAVW SASUKE B ABUSIVE AN THEN SHE GROWZ UP AN BECOMEZ MORE POWERFZL THAN ANY1 AN BECOME HOKAGE

Wow... I had to make an effort to misspell stuff and add typos and chatspeak. And even then I couldn't bring myself to deliberately mix up then and than.

Anyway, after reading this, I look forward to seeing what kind of person you develop the baby into. Obviously it won't happen for quite a while- we can already infer that it's not going to do much except cry and eat and sleep and drool early on- but it's really piqued my curiosity as to how you plan to do it in such a way as to break out of the dominant mold.

Towel embroidery... for some reason that cracks me up.

I think my favorite part of this is the comment in your Deviantart journal that directs you to read Teamwork. Yanno, just in case you wanted to read some good NaruSakuSasu. In case you forgot that you wrote it?

And by favorite, I mean that there's no good word for the combination of amusement and disgust that the comment warranted. Disbelief, perhaps?

And omg! Baby! /hungers for more yummy Teamwork lovin'.

BUT ZOMG I THINK THE BABY SHOULD HAVE PINK HAIR AND ORANGE SHARINGAN EYES SO THAT IT IS THE MOST CLASHINGEST CREATURE EVER AND THEN IT IMPLODES (from the clashing, of course) AND THEN THEY HAVE MORE SEXES....kk?

Aww, over there I'm an artist first, and I don't link back to my ffnet profile. It's alright not to realize that askerian = asuka kureru. (it was still funny, though.)

.... *KILLED. DED.* XDDDDDDDDDDDD ♥

I'm sorry for you... it has to be frustrating if somebody is THAT far away from getting the whole thing *sigh*
oh, and i really like the way you wrote about sakura seeing her boys! ^^ it seems really realistic (although it's all fiction ^.~)

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