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not page by page today, just a random grab bag of comments.

1) omg sasuke illustration at the start. *_________* omg sasuke being so friggin pissed. omg CRUSHING DANZOU TO PULP WITH HIS JUTSUTHING SHADOWHAND~ i'm kinda worried about the sidebar thing on the illustration "the second part of sasuke's revenge, huh. Considering how long the first took him...

Also appreciate the face he made when Danzou confirmed what Madara had told him on Itachi and the clan. pretty clear he hadn't 100% believed madara up to this point. (i also love that madara chose to manipulate him with the truth, if not the complete truth. so much better. X3)

2) hahaa karin. i'm both amused and disgruntled that she goes "eek" and hides and cowers, even if it's to emphasize how scary Sasuke's terrible (tm) jutsu is. nrgh useless cheerleader syndrome.

3) "what's with that arm, gross!" good to know the grossness and WTF of it is not invisible in-universe. XD That helps.

4) So let me summarize this chapter's konoha segment.

kakashi&yamato&sai: Oh, that silly Sakura, doesn't she know Sasuke is all haxx0red out and no one can possibly win against a powerful enemy using their brains like shikamaru did if they're willing to take the risk. women are too frail to take risks.
Naruto: ... sasuke.
kakashi&yamato&sai: Sakura is in Grave Danger. Notice the uppercases please.
Naruto: ... Sasuke doesn't know the truth and he's gone over to the enemy because he doesn't KNOW and...
kakashi&yamato&sai: How much danger is she in? a whole lot, really. We must save her from her own silliness.
Naruto: people want to kill Sasuke and I don't know how to save him from THEM and that's nothing but I don't know how to make him WANT to be saved and that's SO MUCH HARDER--
kakashi&yamato&sai: Let us bundle Naruto up like a fragile package, which he will surely hate the second he hears the plan, and then find poor Sakura and protect her from her own folly.
Naruto: *HYPERVENTILATES AND FAINS FROM FRETTING ABOUT SASUKE*

yeah um so... 1) Kakashi GET THE FUCK OUT OF SAKURA'S SPOTLIGHT I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU INTERRUPT HER OR SHIELD HER BECAUSE SHE'S A SILLY DEFENSELESS GIRL I WILL CUT YOUR BALLS OFF.
2) anyone ever tells me again that naruto's love for sakura is true deep selfless and enduring and MORE POWERFUL THAN ANYTHING ELSE i will just... point at this chapter. and stare at them. for a very long time.

Naruto having romantic feelings for Sakura? Fact. Naruto having much stronger feelings for Sasuke? I don't see how you can talk your way out of this one.

I'm not saying he's in love with Sasuke. I'm saying his concern for Sasuke is 120% higher than his concern for Sakura, his other teammate and the girl he is supposedly in love with. Which is fine if they're just friends, but not if they're supposed to be the end pairing. After the previous chapter's "do you think if we repeat that she's in love with sasuke another three times it'll be clear enough? Wait, let's add it to the sidebar summary" I wasn't sure how you could still ague for narusaku canonization, but now that naruto himself has proved that he doesn't even notice the words "sakura could get killed" because he's so busy worrying about the guy she went to kill... dude. I'm even a little annoyed about what it means for their friendship. ~__~

Sorry for the narusaku rants recently, they're really cute together both in the manga and in fan stuff, but you wouldn't believe the harmony levels of denial and harebrained theories I've been seeing around recently. All that "we don't care if it shits on every other character as long as narusaku happens!" behavior really got my back up. For example there was a srs theory going around this week that naruto would give up on evilsasuke because he had to save his sakura-chan from him zomgsoromantic. fuck youuuuuuu. ~___~ team seven foreverrrrrrrr.

5) itachi omg ;.; yeah, break my heart harder, kishi. oh itachi and your little-brother-love. T^T

6) I really like how Danzou is evil for... really... behaving like an actual ninja. Goes to show what they call ninja is more of something that STARTED ninja-y but then evolved into a semi-samurai caste because those ideas of noble behavior and honor and "some things are above orders and rules"? not for ninja-ninjas. *... ponders geeky things about birth and evolution of the ninja system*

7) "yes, from now on ... we talk with our eyes."
... PFFFFAHAHAHAHA. oh that danzou, always bringing the lulz. XD

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The NaruSasu and SasuIta pings in this chapter were through the roof. I'm enjoying it. Muchly. &hearts

Ew gross eyeballs in Danzou's arm... not so much with the enjoying other than that last post you made about it which I can't even mention or think about without bursting out into hysterical laughter. *shit there I go with giggles make it stop ohgod my stomach*

I don't even know how to feel about Kakashi trying to stop Sakura, I'm kind of hoping she outsmarts him somehow and gets away with the confrontation while he's distracted by her sekrit plan of awesome.

...Oh Naruto, it's so obvious where your loyalties lie and that's so wonderful but I'm so sad that you're hurting because of it. :(

Also eeeeee *FURIOUS GLARE* "don't ever speak Itachi's name again", Sasuke will always have a strong reaction if it involves his niisan. Whether it's in hate or love <3

I'm just going to bookmark this page. That's all. THAT'S ALL

anyone ever tells me again that naruto's love for sakura is true deep selfless and enduring and MORE POWERFUL THAN ANYTHING ELSE i will just... point at this chapter. and stare at them. for a very long time.
LOL!! XDDDD

..OMG.

I loved the part where Sasuke went all 'Don't EVER speak Itachi's name again'. It reminded me of when Naruto went Kyuubi because Orochimaru kept referring to Sasuke as 'his', or when Sakura punched the f*** out of Sai for speaking ill of Sasuke. ♥♥♥ Aaaah, Team 7 and ItaSasu. ♥♥♥♥♥♥

LOL at your chapter summary. XD So true.

Though I must say that Naruto's sudden hyperventilation and fainting was a little strange to me. As someone who's suffered a lot from panic attacks, I know I usually get them at the peak of a stressful situation, not in the aftermath of it... oh, well. I guess Kishi just needed him to be in Konoha for a while.

My first thought when Kakashi told everyone he'd go after Sakura was 'And when you get to her, are you finally going to inform her of Sasuke's situation or is that still not even on your radar?'. Grrrr. I doubt he's gonna interrupt Sakura's screentime, though. Kishi's put a lot of emphasis on her going rogue, I doubt he'd just finish it with a '...and so she took a stroll in the forest. That's it. Development over'. XD

And Danzou, of course, continues to be awesome. :DDD Watch his sharingan actually starting to talk next chapter. Nothing can surprise me anymore about that man. XD

As someone who's suffered a lot from panic attacks, I know I usually get them at the peak of a stressful situation, not in the aftermath of it...

Mine always lag. I can be in a weird panic!high during the events and then, after everything calms down, it hits; or if I panic during, it comes in an aftershock later on.

It can be different for everyone. I think this is the first time in the last few chapters Naruto's actually gotten to process everything. Could be why it's now and not earlier.

Could be something else all together too. What, I have no idea but it could.

Oh, yeah... that makes sense.

I guess I just couldn't help finding it strange because I automatically associated it with my own experience... which is stupid, of course. In Naruto's case, he fainted. In my case, my hands and arms get all scrunched up and I can't move them until I've calmed down. So, yeah - completely different. XD

...also, Kishi might not even have suffered from panic attacks himself, I probably shouldn't be picky anyway. XD

Ah, but is this the aftermath? Or simply a lull in the action that lets him really realize how bad the situation really is?

Think about it. Up until this point he's always been able to say to himself that he'd bring back Sasuke, and become Hokage, and everything would work out.

Now, everyone he knows, everyone who he cares about and whose opinion he respects, is telling him that his teammate, one of his Most Important People, must die, that he must give up a goal that he's held for the last three years and either kill Sasuke himself or let him be killed... or fight all the rest of his Important People to protect someone who doesn't even want to be protected.

His two strongest urges, to protect those he cares for and to become Hokage, are in direct conflict, and he's got to make a choice, right now, because if he doesn't it'll be made for him. I can see that pushing him into a panic attack.

That was my impression as well. I think he hyperventilated because he came to realise that to be true to his ideal, to think as a Kage, to basically do the right thing... he has to not only give up on Sasuke, but probably kill him himself.

Yikes.

Oh, I agree with your assessment of the situation, and with the reasons Naruto ended up breaking down like that! :D

What felt strange to me was the timing of the whole thing: if Naruto had to break down, I'd have expected him to do so at the climax of the scene, which for me was the end of Gaara's speech (since it was the end of the whole infodump and called him directly into action). Instead, between the shocks he received and his panic attack we get the whole lull with Kakashi and Yamato discussing things. XD It kinda broke the high-strung tension for me, and... well, I just thought it felt weird.

Still, like I said to yira_heerai - this impression was probably influenced by my own experiences with panic attacks... I guess it's not that rare to experience hyperventilating and fainting later on, so... well, never mind? XD

I'm waiting another chapter or two before I really make decisions on what happened with Naruto. That's because I'm having stupid fangirl ideas about it like some weird ASTRAL PROJECTION thing or maybe that bit of Itachi he downed trying to get his attention. Feel free to smack me down for it :\

But yeah, I think he's reacting about everything he's been told in what was probably in a span of... I dunno, an hour?

+ The stuff about Itachi
+ Sakura going "I love you!"
+ Sai saying "Let me translate. Everyone's voted Sasuke off the island. Sakura's gone to give him his notice. By killing him."
+ Gaara announcing that there's a freaking WAR over him

And almost all of it relates to Sasuke. Even the stuff about the war since they all believe he's fighting on the enemy's side. I think that's reason to make anyone just about explode :\

#7: Since that line was said when Sasuke and Itachi fought, I've got this image of Danzou thinking "See? I'm a real Uchiha now! I say the right lines and everything! I've got Sharingan up the ass! Why won't you accept me?"

OT, but your icon is awesome and I'm wondering if I can snag it, with cred of course.

I snaged it from someone else who snatched it from someone else, so go ahead! :3

Thanks! Snagging like a snagging thing!

Everyone's voted Sasuke off the island. Sakura's gone to give him his notice.

I just choked on my soda. XD

Glad to be of service XD

"I've got this image of Danzou thinking "See? I'm a real Uchiha now! I say the right lines and everything! I've got Sharingan up the ass! Why won't you accept me?""

Possibly literally, considering where else he's had stashed Sharingans. Man, uncomfortable thought. "Believe me when I say you do not want to see where my Mangekyou Sharingan is. *fiddles with his zipper*"

-- Guile

Oh god, I did not need that image. I was okay with the arm, I was even okay with the mangekyo nipple thing, but you just made me want to curl up in a ball and whimper.
...
DAMN YOU RULE 34!!!

To be honest, I was thinking it too. My sympathies.

Hmm, my Japanese is choppy at best but I'd love to see the original scan of this- something is telling me that the 'talking with our eyes' is either very literal or very round-about and badly translated.

Ooooh, yesss, agree with you entirely about his chapter- die hard NaruSaku shippers will have a major hole to work around now, what with Naruto having a panic attack over Sasuke not Sakura, though I really want a three way show down soon, dai nana han forever! U__U (You've totally spoiled me for 2 way relationships you know, I used to be a fan of pairing team 7 off).

If SAKURA can't even shine for more than 2 pages then the rest of the girls are screwed, I'm still holding out for a Tenten clan name but I'm not holding my breath (even though she's my favourite girl!!!)- I just had to root for the under dog didn't I? Must be 'cos I'm British I guess... >_>

Something along the lines of Naruto pulling another miracle out of his orange clad arse like he did with Pein would be great, or if he gets caught between Sakura and Sasuke's attacks and makes them both come to their senses with lots of beautiful gory dramatics- that would be so utterly delicious *puurs*

Who thinks Danzo helped orchestrate the Uchiha clan's destruction with the single-minded goal of getting all those eyes implanted? Seriously, if he doesn't watch himself, Hiei's gonna sue somebody...

Hiei's lawyer is the Kokuryuuha. It's so much more efficient at solving legal disputes than the courts. ;)

Aw, and I wanted to see Kurama in a suit... :p

*Ambushed by AU plot ideas*

That's only when Hiei gets really mad. ;)

yeah, i think "talking" is more with the meaning of "communicating" than actual opening mouth and flapping tongue and making sounds, or it's likely just a common expression (like "we talk with our fists!!!!") but when eyeballs are involved it's still hilarious in translation. XD

dai nana haaaaan T^T *craves*

Tenten? A name? Surely you jest. D:

... pfft danzou = hiei's ancestor somehow. XDDDD

...I have nothing I can possibly say about this chapter that won't devolve into angry/angsty ranting except "Please let Naruto's Convenient Panic Attack ^TM have something to do with us finding out what the hell was up with the raven Itachi shoved down his throat God knows how many chapters ago, I'm still confused about that."

Also, "Let Sakura have her damn epic spotlight moment Kishi. She's been waiting for one since the freaking Rescue Gaara Arc. And explain her thought processes as I can no longer keep up with them."

He spent his whole life fighting and striving to one day be Hokage, and the last three years ignoring everyone and sticking to his wish of saving Sasuke from himself. He just realized that his first goal is colliding head-on with the second (in the sense that a Kaga would never endanger everyone for just one person), that everything he's done was useless to prevent this, that Sasuke will most likely be killed and, if he's ever ready to be a leader, he'll have to make this decision.. and most likely kill Sasuke himself.

That's what the kid is thinking at that moment. I think it warrants a panic attack. :)

Kage woops.

Oh, I'm perfectly aware of the reason for the panic attack (and also want to hug him because of it because dammit this boy needs Good Things right now). I get that completely. I'm just wondering whether or not it will serve to further any other plot devices or just this.

That, and I really want that damn raven explained because that freaked me out for a good long while when it happened. Dx

Very true! I'm sorry I mistook your comment for a negative, I actually would like the raven thing explained very much too :D

At this point, I am so fed up with Team 7 - Sasuke, Naruto, Sakura...they're all kinda rubbing me the wrong way for this arc. Of course, I think it's more the writing then the actual characters, and they become my scapegoats. :P

....Can we just skip to make-up sex now, Team 7?

I completely agree with you.

On all counts.

Sasuke looks so evil. ;_____; It's making me sad.

"we talk with our eyes"

WTF HE HAS EYEBALLS IN HIS MOUTH, TOO?? EEEW!! Like, whenever he eats, he sees what happens with the stuff. That is so gross.

XD sorry, I'm still too shocked by the lack of manga I'll be getting during the holidays to think properly.

Your commentary for this chapter made it all the better. I laughed so loud I'm afraid my neighbor had heard me.

~JMG

Sasuke's question says something very important to me about Sasuke. His little rampage through the peace summit was to get to this point- less to kill Danzou and more to get an answer to a question that's been eating him alive since Madara let it slip. I still don't feel like we have an entire picture of what's going on here. Why were the Uchiha rebelling? Why was Itachi willing to murder his clanmen, mother and father included? What did all of this have to do with Madara? There's pieces here that don't exactly fit (it could just be left over resentment from the clumsy retcon of Itachi from cold blooded murderer testing his 'capacity' to dutiful little weepy ninja who kept his bro around cause he jus wuvs him SOOOOOOO much!!!!! but whichever).

Still, though....Danzou being shocked that Itachi let the big secret slip....this is one audacious motherfucker, folks. Think about it- you order a guy to kill an entire clan of family- women, children....HIS OWN PARENTS!, then exile him completely from Konoha so he can hang out with the uber evil sect bent on blowing up the world (or excuse him, hypnotising it with the moon....god my brain hurts), knowing this means he must murder and kill whoever he's told to with the same mask of cold blooded precision he held while killing his family....only to be confronted and murdered by his little brother, the one person he loved too much to kill back then....murdered because of a misunderstanding created BY YOUR LIES....and your surprised he'd let anything slip. Okay, no...you don't get to be shcoked at a guy betraying you after you put him through THAT. You have permission to be shocked that his betrayal involved a simple confession and several switch kicks to the nuts with a steel toed shoe.

As for Naruto.....so far, he's spent this entire storyline letting one girl punch him in the face over and over (solving nothing), embarrassing and posterating himself in front of the kage of a rival country (also solving nothing), responding to another kage's deep and heartfelt overtures of peace and promises of mutual support and alliance with sullen silence....and has just responded to a difficult situation by spazzing out and nearly fainting.

OUR FUTURE HOKAGE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! LET'S GIVE HIM A BIG HAND!

Okay, I'm being mean, but Naruto has just gotten pathetic recently. Sure, sure, I get he's still looking for 'the right answer' to the question Pain asked him several months ago....but this series has shown folks like Jirayia and Kakashi do that exact same thing better and more maturely than Naruto. It should be obvious that the world doesn't want to wait for you to find your answer, so it might be time to do something more productive than sit around and mope about a solution. Personally I'm completely in favor of the old 'beat the crap outta them until they listen' standby until you have a more productive solution. Looking weak and helpless in the face of the violence isn't furthering anything, least of all finding 'peace'.

OUR FUTURE HOKAGE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

*cracks up*

Aw, you're being too harsh...

... okay maybe not a lot. >__>;

He'll figure it out eventually, I don't mind if he flounders a little. (as long as he apologizes for keeping sakura out of the loop and doesn't get on her case for acting on her own. because, umm... he was doing it too. >__>)

I honestly wasn't expecting Sasuke to catch up with Danzou as soon as he did, but I'm very happy about it! :D It's been a while since I've been anxiously awaiting the next chapter. (re-reading the Itachi fight as well as the Sasuke-meets-and-teams-up-with-Madara arc yesterday didn't hurt either. It had been so long, I'd forgotten a lot of stuff.)

And Naruto. Man, I knew all this was gonna kick him straight in the gut. ;__; DON'T LOSE FAITH. YOU CAN STILL DO IT! ~~i think.~~

I'LL HOLD KAKASHI DOWN FOR YOU! >:| Okay, I get the concern. I really do even if I feel it's misplaced, but asldkjflajdfakj LET HER HAVE HER MOMENT GODDAMIT.

what i really don't like is that you KNOW if she werer a guy they'd likely say "sasuke is too dangerous" not "sakura is too weak." >:/

Danzou's ridiculous pun (Mistranslation or no), helped with gettng out of the 'noooooo!' mood of the chapter.

"[Naruto completely ignoring Sakura blarg]... I'm even a little annoyed about what it means for their friendship. ~__~"

Speaking from my own personal experience, when having a panic attack, as the stressers build up, it's the straw that broke the camel's back that will be focus of it before thoughts go black, and you can't focus on anything said after the straw has first happened. With the idea that Sasuke is irredeemable/will be killed, the possibility of Sakura going rogue and also being killed just becomes no comprende.

~~Because nooooo all angles of team seven have to be there, not love triad with Sasuke in the middle ;__;~~

hmm, the fact that he wouldn't even be able to hear their conversation helps a little. Still, fact is when he heard she was leaving to kill sasuke he was still more worried about sasuke. maybe because even now he still doesn't believe sasuke would hurt sakura anyway, and sasuke has all those people out for his blood...

~~yes damn it all three of them, not timesharing, not triaaaangle aaaaargh~~

...That is an excellently flowing idea. Since Sakura is the only person Sasuke has known for a period of time that he hasn't tried to injure/maim/kill (I think?) combined with her die-hard love for him and Naruto's conviction that there is still good in him, it might not even cross Naruto's mind that Sasuke would actually hurt her.

~~...Insert joke about time sharing prices.~~

I liked Danzou's explanation of what a true ninja was. Yeah, Itachi was ordered to kill his entire clan, Sasuke was left with pain his entire life--but if Itachi hadn't done that, there would have been a huge war instead. Sasuke probably knows that, but he's still going against Itachi.

Naruto hyperventilating... GAH. My heart, it hurts. And ItaSasu brother love. ;w; D'AWWW ITACHI.

"Yes, from now on... we talk with our eyes."
At first I had no idea why that sentence just felt off, but now I get it and... OHLOL. XD If it were mistranslated, how else could that sentence be said? Really?

XDDD i'm sure it's just the english version that sounds weird, and i understand the notion -- it's more "communicate" than "talk" but it's still a hilarious idea. Hey, those sharingans already do everything else, so why not. XDDD

OMG ITACHI!!! *wibble* (Yes, that needed all caps, it still does.)

I want to wibble over Naruto too.

I'm sorry, the Naruto panic attack just pisses me off. It's obviously a convenient way of making sure he doesn't go with them to get Sasuke, but c'mon, Kishi, can't you do better than that? We've had four hundred eleventy billion chapters of friends and family dying, exploding body parts, kyuubification, massacres, Jiraiya biting the dust, yadayada -- and hearing that your friends don't like your boyfriend is what makes you lose it?

Also: Aww, Sai. He's just a cuddly ball of angsty love these days, isn't he? Somebody take him home quick. Hinata maybe.

That shot of Sasuke covered in Danzo's blood gave me nightmares. COME ON, HAVE SOME REACTION ;-; That was honestly creepier then the Sharingarm...

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