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Pseudo-analysis -- pattern of frog-snake-slug teams
Just trying to make the themes make sense for myself... Funny how Team Seven gathers all those facets from the other teams. Makes sense though with the way Kishimoto constructs his characters. Everyone must be a foil for Naruto in some way. Warning, it doesn't really get anywhere.
(Mm, random Uppercase emphasis. Don't mind it, I like to pretend I'm all deep and shit.)
Jiraiya - Orochimaru - Tsunade
Snake: Had family; they died in a war.(?)
Slug: Granddaughter of Hokage, had family duty toward Village. Had brother; he died. Had lover.
Snake: To learn all the jutsu in the world and stay alive until he can meet his dead loved ones (parents) again. (Believed they would reincarnate.) (selfish but not negative/dark)
Slug: To fulfill family & lover legacy. To make sure there are more medics around; to protect the village.
Snake: Obtaining means to learn all the jutsu and more influence to keep self alive became more important than waiting for parents/developing bonds. Forgot why; lost Motive. Did not allow Frog and Slug to become his new Loved Ones. => could not be redeemed; fell too far + at no point was he sorry.
Slug: Could not save Lover and Brother; abandoned Village and Team. Ran away. => got a chance to try again, by taking the title of Hokage and attempting to save Brother surrogate (Naruto).
Yahiko - Nagato - Konan
Snake: Lost family to war. (by Konoha ninjas.) Bloodline limit heir. When scared/angry becomes v. hateful and kills; is scared of that side of himself and tries to hide it.
Slug: Lost family to war. Gentle and friendly.
Snake: To protect Frog & Slug even at the cost of self-sacrifice. Has Power; needs control. Has hate/darkness, scared of it. (could either learn to use it or erase it.)
Slug: To support her teammates. (? Who knows. She has tits, it's not like it matters.)
Snake: Didn't save Frog. Lost/perverted the "protect" and "wish for lasting peace" motives inherited from Frog; (now is assuming the only possible peace is between people who are too terrorized to use their freedom of choice.) Sacrifices others and calls it necessary. Let go of his humanity. => Protector gone wrong.
Slug: Didn't oppose Snake's plan. Might even agree. Enabled him instead of bringing him back to reason, either by choice or weakness of character.
Obito - Kakashi - Rin
(Interesting how this is the only team to break the pattern of black hair/colorless hair for Slug and snake; but then again Kakashi doesn't have a gold/fire hair color but a cold gray/silver one, so the reversal effect is muted.)
Snake: Father was (he assumes) a traitor; Snake distancies self from Father & comrades.
Slug: (???)
Snake: To prove he can become strong alone and doesn't need Frog&Snake. (has some Power but flawed Motive and no Loved Ones)
Slug: (???)
Snake: Did everything right, but too late. Realized he was wrong about father, and about not needing Frog&Slug, also too late. => Now has Power & pure Motive (thanks to Teammate and correct understanding of Father's intent); has lost Loved Ones he was to use them for.
Slug:was fucking useless apart from a princess to save damn it For herself, who knows. Couldn't heal Frog, but no one could have, so that isn't really her fault? But she failed Snake; she's another person who died on him.
Naruto - Sasuke - Sakura
Snake: Bloodline clan to live up to. Lost family. Betrayed by beloved brother. (Has Innate Power, but not enough. Has Motive (and then some.) Has Loved Ones.)
Slug: Normal civilian life => generally shallow.
Snake: To gain power in order to have revenge/justice for family (negative/dark but not selfish). To balance the scales -- in a negative way (an eye for an eye.) Secondary motivation : to protect himself and/or Frog & Slug, by pushing them aside.
Slug: To gain power in order to protect Slug & Snake and reunite the three of them.
Snake: Will not fall too far into revenge and lose all sense of scale and appropriateness and acceptable targets (Will learn that an eye for an eye => the whole world goes blind.)
Has enough Power; will regain Purity of Motive. Will remember he has Loved Ones to use it for => Will become Protector instead of Avenger again.
Slug: Will protect/heal brother & lover figures. Will not run away. Will not enable them in bad decisions or perversion of their principles. Will not die on them.
It's interesting how all Snakes have this major potential for Good or Evil, and they all started out potentially good, yet something is missing. Ideally all characters should have a Motive (to protect a specific someone; to change the world for the better; to bring true justice), Loved Ones so they have a reason to fight, and the Power to see their Motive through. Snakes are the ones who get the most unbalanced over it when they're missing an element or two, though.
Orochimaru had Loved Ones (his parents), lost them, gained a Motive (to gain power (knowledge and influence) in order to see them again), but he failed when he didn't let his teammates become Loved Ones (or, in fact, didn't allow anyone to reach his feelings in any way, killing all compassion) and therefore he perverted his motive -- he forgot about his parents and his motive became Power in itself, for itself. Totally irredeemable and didn't even want to be nor did he seem to care that he was "wrong". He just was; that was all he cared about.
Kakashi lost and distrusted his first Loved One (his father) therefore his Motives (to obey the rules and not trust anyone) were misguided and his Power (chidori, leader ability) was insufficient. Not bad exactly, but not good enough. By gaining new Loved Ones his Motives became better but having doubted his father for so long and having been in the wrong, he didn't fix things in time. He gained that Power at the cost of a Loved One. He did get to keep both Power and Motive though, which is more than the older two.
Nagato, now... He had all three. Rinnegan (power), Loved Ones (teammates) and the purest and best of Motives -- to protect his loved ones. And he failed in a spectacular way. Lost his Loved One and then BAM, Motive fucked up, Power used for evil. I think he just didn't have the moral fortitude to deal with the pressure right. >_> (Kakashi understood that going against your dead loved ones' true belief and expectations was wrong, you ass, why didn't you.)
For Sasuke... Man. he had all three in slightly smaller doses (Loved Ones -- family; Motive -- to become awesome like his brother ♥ and to be useful and respected and valued by his Loved Ones -- and Power; the potential of the Sharingan), and then all three became damaged or had to be replaced because they weren't enough anymore.
I think the goal of the game is to get him to revert completely to his first set. Lost the drive to become like Itachi; regained the drive to become like Itachi. Learned to detach from Loved Ones - team Seven and team hawk, kept at arm's length -- has to learn to let them in again. As for the third ... Sharingan (familial ability) => bad motives => curse seal (artificial & demonic) => brother's sacrifice => Mangekyou (familial ability). So we get one bad intentions powerup and one good intentions powerup (that he now has to live up to). Sasuke never looked for power just for power's sake -- he just has to realize that now he has more than enough... by realizing that Protecting Your Loved Ones is the best catalyst EVER (at least in shounen manga.) You just can't go wrong with that.
Crap, I forgot where I was going. Should have taken more notes.
And I end this rambly ramble with this last rambly sentence of I don't have a clue what i'm babbling about really I just came back home from shopping all afternoon and i think I'll have to amputate my feet at the ankle to stop them hurting. You ask me to think logically and try making sense when my monies are all gone. How can you.
(Mm, random Uppercase emphasis. Don't mind it, I like to pretend I'm all deep and shit.)
Their past:Frog: ? Goofy perverted kid.
Snake: Had family; they died in a war.(?)
Slug: Granddaughter of Hokage, had family duty toward Village. Had brother; he died. Had lover.
Their motivation:Frog: Wanted to be awesome. (I guess. No idea.) Wants peace; fails to figure out how.
Snake: To learn all the jutsu in the world and stay alive until he can meet his dead loved ones (parents) again. (Believed they would reincarnate.) (selfish but not negative/dark)
Slug: To fulfill family & lover legacy. To make sure there are more medics around; to protect the village.
How they failed:Frog: Could not stop Snake. Lost confidence in ability to bring peace & be awesome (read: Hokage.) => Got two chances to try again, by making his student the confident savior he himself could have been. First attempt, failed unknowingly when he abandoned his students, thinking them grown enough to become independent. Redemption via death. Second attempt : Naruto, still in progress.
Snake: Obtaining means to learn all the jutsu and more influence to keep self alive became more important than waiting for parents/developing bonds. Forgot why; lost Motive. Did not allow Frog and Slug to become his new Loved Ones. => could not be redeemed; fell too far + at no point was he sorry.
Slug: Could not save Lover and Brother; abandoned Village and Team. Ran away. => got a chance to try again, by taking the title of Hokage and attempting to save Brother surrogate (Naruto).
Their past:Frog: Lost family to war. Keeps enthusiasm and cooperation (is the one who gathers Snake and Slug to him & directs search for food & shelter.) => provider.
Snake: Lost family to war. (by Konoha ninjas.) Bloodline limit heir. When scared/angry becomes v. hateful and kills; is scared of that side of himself and tries to hide it.
Slug: Lost family to war. Gentle and friendly.
Their motivation:Frog: Provider of emotional support & motivation. Wishes for revenge for Family, but knows Peace isn't possible if you listen to your anger. Wishes to become strong to protect Snake & Slug. Wishes for peaceful future more than he wishes for revenge, though he has both impulses; in the end takes decision to lean on the Protect side of the balance in order to bring end to endless war & revenge pendulum swing.
Snake: To protect Frog & Slug even at the cost of self-sacrifice. Has Power; needs control. Has hate/darkness, scared of it. (could either learn to use it or erase it.)
Slug: To support her teammates. (? Who knows. She has tits, it's not like it matters.)
How they failed:Frog: ??? Died. (Major failure. He was their hope & humanity.)
Snake: Didn't save Frog. Lost/perverted the "protect" and "wish for lasting peace" motives inherited from Frog; (now is assuming the only possible peace is between people who are too terrorized to use their freedom of choice.) Sacrifices others and calls it necessary. Let go of his humanity. => Protector gone wrong.
Slug: Didn't oppose Snake's plan. Might even agree. Enabled him instead of bringing him back to reason, either by choice or weakness of character.
(Interesting how this is the only team to break the pattern of black hair/colorless hair for Slug and snake; but then again Kakashi doesn't have a gold/fire hair color but a cold gray/silver one, so the reversal effect is muted.)
Their past:Frog: Cannot develop family bloodline. Dead-last weakling, both physically and in strength of resolve.
Snake: Father was (he assumes) a traitor; Snake distancies self from Father & comrades.
Slug: (???)
Their motivation:Frog: To prove to family & team he is not a failure. To break the system that says mission success > teammates.
Snake: To prove he can become strong alone and doesn't need Frog&Snake. (has some Power but flawed Motive and no Loved Ones)
Slug: (???)
How they failed:Frog: Didn't really fail. Saved his teammate Snake, changed Snake's mindset. Price was too high though; he got his improvement started too late to save himself.
Snake: Did everything right, but too late. Realized he was wrong about father, and about not needing Frog&Slug, also too late. => Now has Power & pure Motive (thanks to Teammate and correct understanding of Father's intent); has lost Loved Ones he was to use them for.
Slug:
Their past:Frog: Orphan from birth. Ostracized by whole village. Dead-last.
Snake: Bloodline clan to live up to. Lost family. Betrayed by beloved brother. (Has Innate Power, but not enough. Has Motive (and then some.) Has Loved Ones.)
Slug: Normal civilian life => generally shallow.
Their motivation:Frog: To gain respect. To gain&keep loved ones, esp. Snake&Slug. To become Awesome (read: Hokage). To reform twisted system.
Snake: To gain power in order to have revenge/justice for family (negative/dark but not selfish). To balance the scales -- in a negative way (an eye for an eye.) Secondary motivation : to protect himself and/or Frog & Slug, by pushing them aside.
Slug: To gain power in order to protect Slug & Snake and reunite the three of them.
How they will not fail:Frog: Has Peers' respect. Will get Brother Figure/Snake back. Will become Awesome (read: Hokage). Will bring Lasting Peace (probably not perfect peace but, better than current climate.) & end Mission > Teammates mindset (if only by example. XD) Will not die because of too little too late; he has put in enough effort not to.
Snake: Will not fall too far into revenge and lose all sense of scale and appropriateness and acceptable targets (Will learn that an eye for an eye => the whole world goes blind.)
Has enough Power; will regain Purity of Motive. Will remember he has Loved Ones to use it for => Will become Protector instead of Avenger again.
Slug: Will protect/heal brother & lover figures. Will not run away. Will not enable them in bad decisions or perversion of their principles. Will not die on them.
It's interesting how all Snakes have this major potential for Good or Evil, and they all started out potentially good, yet something is missing. Ideally all characters should have a Motive (to protect a specific someone; to change the world for the better; to bring true justice), Loved Ones so they have a reason to fight, and the Power to see their Motive through. Snakes are the ones who get the most unbalanced over it when they're missing an element or two, though.
Orochimaru had Loved Ones (his parents), lost them, gained a Motive (to gain power (knowledge and influence) in order to see them again), but he failed when he didn't let his teammates become Loved Ones (or, in fact, didn't allow anyone to reach his feelings in any way, killing all compassion) and therefore he perverted his motive -- he forgot about his parents and his motive became Power in itself, for itself. Totally irredeemable and didn't even want to be nor did he seem to care that he was "wrong". He just was; that was all he cared about.
Kakashi lost and distrusted his first Loved One (his father) therefore his Motives (to obey the rules and not trust anyone) were misguided and his Power (chidori, leader ability) was insufficient. Not bad exactly, but not good enough. By gaining new Loved Ones his Motives became better but having doubted his father for so long and having been in the wrong, he didn't fix things in time. He gained that Power at the cost of a Loved One. He did get to keep both Power and Motive though, which is more than the older two.
Nagato, now... He had all three. Rinnegan (power), Loved Ones (teammates) and the purest and best of Motives -- to protect his loved ones. And he failed in a spectacular way. Lost his Loved One and then BAM, Motive fucked up, Power used for evil. I think he just didn't have the moral fortitude to deal with the pressure right. >_> (Kakashi understood that going against your dead loved ones' true belief and expectations was wrong, you ass, why didn't you.)
For Sasuke... Man. he had all three in slightly smaller doses (Loved Ones -- family; Motive -- to become awesome like his brother ♥ and to be useful and respected and valued by his Loved Ones -- and Power; the potential of the Sharingan), and then all three became damaged or had to be replaced because they weren't enough anymore.
I think the goal of the game is to get him to revert completely to his first set. Lost the drive to become like Itachi; regained the drive to become like Itachi. Learned to detach from Loved Ones - team Seven and team hawk, kept at arm's length -- has to learn to let them in again. As for the third ... Sharingan (familial ability) => bad motives => curse seal (artificial & demonic) => brother's sacrifice => Mangekyou (familial ability). So we get one bad intentions powerup and one good intentions powerup (that he now has to live up to). Sasuke never looked for power just for power's sake -- he just has to realize that now he has more than enough... by realizing that Protecting Your Loved Ones is the best catalyst EVER (at least in shounen manga.) You just can't go wrong with that.
Crap, I forgot where I was going. Should have taken more notes.
And I end this rambly ramble with this last rambly sentence of I don't have a clue what i'm babbling about really I just came back home from shopping all afternoon and i think I'll have to amputate my feet at the ankle to stop them hurting. You ask me to think logically and try making sense when my monies are all gone. How can you.