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Naruto manga chapter 353

http://www.mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12599

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--edit mangahelpers is down right now, so here's the raw, and here's the translation. In-progress for now.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeitachi. Itachi being wet and hot.~~and girly, but that's a family trait. u.u~~

Itachi and Kisame. I wanna know what they talked abouuuut. *_*

... and then a bazilion pages of their shadow-ghost-talk-from-distances jutsu thing, which I'll bet my ass is Kishimoto's way of getting out of actually having to draw more than squiggly rocks as background and quick outlines with eyes for pages and pages and pages. u.u

And then a couple of pages about Naruto, still in the Hokage's office. nnngh too much talk in this chapter, not enough Naruto/Uchiha brothers/Sakura being hot. AND STILL NO TRANSLATION AAHHH. (yeah, I know it's barely been up a hour or less. XD *WHINES ANYWAY, BITCH*

edit: AHH that old man is the four tails? ;.; I like his look -he reminds me of that old jedi guy, a bit. o.o) What's the four tails' beastie again... the dog? *forgets like a forgetful thing* They haven't said in the chapter yet at any rate.

Ohh, look, an explanation as to why they need to keep naruto for last! One I'll be able to use for Teamwork too. XD A little more convincing than a simple "~~the hero is always targeted last~~ we had other stuff to do first." Still, I wonder why the hell Sir Leader didn't think about warning them that he'd need Kyuubi last or the balance would be fucked up and the statue would crumble. D:

Sakura: If we can just capture one member of Akatsuki, we can turn them over to Ibiki-san, and let him extract whatever information he can get.
Someone has a ruthless streak. *.* (now i want to write about sakura learning torture, but that's been done before, and better than I could. Nnnh where was that fic again, that sounded like Tsunade was teaching her medic-nin stuff at first... *search search*)

Ahaha Akatsuki is such a tender, loving, friendly, close-knit group. XD
Kisame: Really now? Haha... So the "Zombie Twins" are dead, eh? I wish I could've seen how they were killed.

Poor, poor Sir Leader. XD His fearsome men are behaving like a bunch of little brats.

Kisame: Heh...impressive. You must be proud of your little brother, Itachi-san.
SQUEE -- uhh. sorry. >.> It's just. the mental picture. nnnghhh.

... how come Juugo and Suigetsu both have a rep even the Akatsuki know about, and the girl is, once again, the a non-entity. ... nngh. After all she doesn't seem to be as much of a fighter.

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I want the translation too, dammit! I've got, wow four fics where Itachi is centric and I want to know if I'm doing him justice and how the hell am I supposed to do that if I don't know what his character is like?!?! But dayum!!! Is he the hot or what? *drool drool*. And yes, Kishimoto is a cheap art bastard, but we love him anyway. *goes back to drool over wet HAWT Itachi-chan*. Thanks for the link!
A.S.

Hmm. From what there is of the translation so far, he's his usual "we do the job, i'm not going to say unnecessary things" guy. (but sopritty. ;.;)

That's kinda what I got too, but then I had to go psyco analye him and try and figure out what made him go off the deep end and... yeah. This is me fangirling the guy 'cause he IS so, so purty! ^_^;

Nnngh needs moar plot movement but ITACHI so it balances out for me. 83

XD I guess the slow, chatty chapters are necessary too.

But Itachi! Being pretty! And Kisame! With a guy on his sword! wheeee. ♥

(also your icon has officially slayed me. Just saying.)

Yeah, they are. At least there's something to read, and not mucking about with action panels an' stuff.

Itachi trumps all complaints. Automatically by default. ♥

(I love that icon. 8D)

Some of that text is so effin' tiny D8

<--- Tried to at least get the romanji down. Failed.

Some of it's near illegible! DX They're talking about the yonbi, though (Itachi and Kisame). Phear my butchered romanji:

Kisame: Koitsu wo shira na ikari sonna ko yo __(kanji i couldn't read D:) un desu yo yonbi no....

I gave up after that XD;; that's on page three, second panel.

My eyes are horrible, I swear DX

That's the guy across Kisame's sword. Poor old man. ;.;
The scans aren't that good for japanese reading. There are bigger scans up, but it's on mangahelpers and i'm not sure the board is back up yet. Hisshouburaiken's translation is going fast, though.

Yeah, i'm dling the bigger version now (so MH is back up). It's SO MUCH BETTER, WHY DIDN'T I DO IT BEFORE??

I don't bother usually because it's so much slower, but I think i'll download it too so I can color a few Itachis. >.>

You use it to practice your japanese skills then? ^^ 'cause if it's out of necessity, hisshou is almost done. XDDD;;;

I just wanted to get the gist of what they were talking about at first, but yeah it's to practice a bit. I suck because I never practice XD;;;

If they learn too much about Itachi and Kisame they may try to disrupt Akatsuki's plans.

o_o; I... wonder if that has special meaning.

It also makes me giggle, cause you know Sasuke probably doesn't give two shits about what Akatsuki has planned. XD

"If we can just capture one member of Akatsuki, we can turn them over to Ibiki-san, and let him extract whatever information he can get."

::twitch eye-bulge::

So...Shikamaru....you wanna chime in here that you have a perfectly usable Akatsuki available for torturing....or at least the head of one, who also conviently would die from the torture?

XD mmmplothole.

But then Sir leader does say they're both dead. So who knows better, I wonder. o.o (Thinking about it, Hidan is way too crazy, fanatic and masochistic to talk easily under torture. he'd get off on it, probably XD but yeah, would be interesting to make shika dig him out. XDDDD)

Shika: *shovel shovel* This is too troublesome, can't we just get an excorsist (sp) or something?
Ino or Sakura or Tsunade: Keep digging! It's your fault for not dragging him back in the first place
Shika: *mutter*troublesome woman, Does it look like I wanted my knee caps bitten off?

looks like some scanlations available now. waiting on it to download now :D

http://www.narutohq.com/demon-guide.php

has a list of all of the biju (my spelling is horrible >.<)

the four tails is some kind of reptile i think and five tails is a dog-type thing.

Also, i think rayemars wrote a torturer!Sakura in her Ripple-effects fic.

:)

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In case you didn't already know, a scanlation is available here (http://www.bsmanga.com/download.php?file=9). If you already have the scanlation, you can ignore this if you want. Either way, it's fine with me. :)

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-reading translated manga now- 83

And oooh. A fic with Sakura learning torture? I THINK I HAD FOUND ONE.

Crap. Now I want to read it. But am sleepy.

-passes out-

I think I found the Sakura learns torture fic that you were thinking of. It is (if I'm not mistaken) part of a series by rayemars. On her livejournal, she lumps it in with her thirty kisses set, but it's kind of supposed to take place before her story "Ripple Effect". The website is http://rayemars.livejournal.com/135200.html#cutid3.

... how come Juugo and Suigetsu both have a rep even the Akatsuki know about, and the girl is, once again, the a non-entity. ... nngh. After all she doesn't seem to be as much of a fighter. <- You know, I love Naruto, I really, really do...but I am getting so annoyed at how the females keep getting shafted. I mean wtf!?

Is it not enough that women have their "time of the month" and carry a child for nine months (both of which f*ck viciously with their minds, emotions, and bodies), give birth (which of course is painless and oh so fun), get paid less (even when they work just as much if not more), are discriminated against in all aspects of life (not to mention sexually exploited and demoralized)...and even in this Shinobi World, even as f'ing kunoichi, a world where most teams have one women, where one of the three Legendary Ninjas is a woman [who happens to become a Hokage (and who knows if there are/have been other female Kages)], where at least one of the jinchuuriki is a women, and women are _still_ getting looked over!?! *is slightly outraged and disappointed*

...on a related topic: I just saw Spider-Man 3. Dammit Mary Jane. I love her, but sometimes the "kidnap her because she's pretty and he's in love with her" plot gets really _old_. She has more uses, I swear.

Also, yesterday I was shown a picture of a statue of MJ that depicts her bent over a bucket, washing the Spider-Man Costume, barefoot, with her breasts spilling out of a too-tight top, clad in ripped, painted-on jeans, with her thong showing; her nails done, and she's wearing pearls that go nicely with the "come hither" expression on her face. Cause Laundry is sexy. Yeah. Thanks for taking the girl next door, _literally_, and destroying her character/image a little more. *even more outraged and disappointed*

...I'm pretty sure in the comic, MJ was a super-model. Maybe it's based on that?

I think also that there's an explanation for why kunoichi are usually overlooked. Namely, this is a manga for twelve-year-old boys. While those of us who are women would like to see more kick-ass kunoichi like Sakura and Tsunade (and Ino, on occasion...), the target audience probably doesn't. Thus, guys with reps and girls who... are there...

Truth be told, Naruto is better about letting women be cool than other manga of the genre. I agree it is a little annoying sometimes, though. Like how during the "ooh, look, Sasuke showed up after three years" plot line, Sakura, who had proven herself to be very good at what she does nowadays, just /stands there and looks surprised/ while Naruto at least shouts stuff. *grumble* *mutter*

Adi

It's based on a sketch done of her doing laundry, which wasn't as sexed-up as the statue ended up being, but was still awful. And, really, I don't think "MJ was a super-model" excuses or justifies this picture - not that excuses need to be made, but...still. *flinch*

I was on a bit of a "damn, the world is still really unfair to females" roll, but I'm not trying to be difficult or contrary or anything...and I'm not all "crazy femme FTW" either. *lol* I'm just very fair. I call it like it is, and if something happens that I don't feel is justified or sensible I'll say so. And, you see, I don't think the way women are portrayed in the specific instances of comics [MJ (and _so_ many others)] and Naruto [Karin, Sakura, etc.] is fair. There have been some turning points, but even when a female character develops substance, she can't escape the "sex object", "needs to be protected" or "damsel in distress" cliches. You need the hero to be all determined and noble? Have him save the chick he's banging, or partnered with, etc.

I'm not trying to change the world one comic at a time or anything - but in the Naruto World I really don't believe there is any reason for women to keep getting glossed over. There don't seem to be any gender stereotypes or barriers from the character's perspectives, and I think it's safe to assume there wouldn't be any in at all because it's more "life and death" and such stereotypes and limitations would be nonsensical in such a world; plus, it isn't our world and hence it could (and should) be better. So, yes, Naruto isn't awful, it's better than others, but it's really not as great as it has the potential to be.

The example you gave isn't the only one. Tsunade kicks major ass, she's a Hokage, a Legendery Sannin, and yet even she gets shafted. Almost all the women (except for like Anko) are over-emotional, go through instances of sheer pettiness, being love-struck or crushing on someone, and even when they are shown to have special skills they don't get praised for them. We see Sakura destroying in one arc, and completely ignorable in the next. *grr*

Since Naruto covers such a wide selection of topics, for almost any age group, even though it targets young males it should show female characters in a stronger, more appealing light. Again, I'm not trying to be "femmes!!!!" or anything, I just feel if you can depict characters favorably and interestingly, why not do it? How much more effort does it take to have someone say "And Karin of the (whatever) is with them" when mentioning the others in Hebi? It would have presented an opportunity for us to know more about her, and it would reinforce her as an interesting, strong female character in the manga.

That's just my two (err - 200 *;.;*) cents. *^.^*

Ah. Alright. That does make the statue deplorable. *glares at the damn thing*

You're right, of course. Females do tend to be pushed to the sidelines a bit, and there really is no reason for this to be so, especially in fiction. Especially in fiction that a lot of females read, despite the target audience. Besides, it wouldn't hurt any twelve-year-old boys to have a kick-ass female idol, either.

And in response to you're 'not "yay! femme!"' thing, I am conversely not trying to say we should just accept the roles women are placed in over and over again, or that they are right, while somewhat understandable considering the general attitudes of history, etc. We need to bring them to others' attention so that any change at all can take place. I was just trying to say that we shouldn't short-change the steps in the right direction we /have/ taken, even in fictitious worlds. Sakura scaring the shit out of Kakashi and Naruto and Tsunade beating Oro to a bloody pulp were two such "steps in the right direction." >D

Also, Anko is one of the coolest characters in Naruto, hands down. She's so kick-ass even the ANBU think she's nuts. *grins*

Adi

Also, Anko is one of the coolest characters in Naruto, hands down. She's so kick-ass even the ANBU think she's nuts. <- *LOL like whoa*

I can definitely see your point/theories and I agree with a lot of it. The steps in the right direction would be nicer in larger quantities, but I'll take what I can get, considering. Also, I understand where you're coming from, and it's nice that we both see no one is being extremist on either end, and are just having an intelligent conversation.

... *gasps* (*whispers* Is the Naruto Fandom coming to an end?! *hides*)

... *^.^*

Besides, it wouldn't hurt any twelve-year-old boys to have a kick-ass female idol, either. <- Amen to that! ;)

*Nod-nods* Have to agree with you on pretty much all points. My theory on the reason women get ignored on a regular basis in Naruto is because of Japan's gender stereotyping. I'm not saying that that is 100% the reason, but most often, women are not seen as fighters, or as the really cool ones. They're the nurtures, example being that the most kick-ass woman in Naruto, Tsunade, is a HEALER!!
The next main female, Sakura, also a medic-nin. Next, Ino, learns medic-nin skills. Hinata is in the supporter position, Tenten, in the manga at least, is just there to fill out Team Gai, Kurenai gets preggers, and Anko is the 'crazy, psyco bitch that got trained by Orochimaru, so CLEARLY she's unbalanced and has issues'.
My view, Kishimoto is channeling the Japanese culture stereotypes. Good, proper, womanly women don't fight, they stay home and have babies and if a proper woman does go near battle, she's there to patch up the real fighters hurts. *stabs stereotype with rusty spork* My view point, my theory, just putting it out for analysis. *goes back to lurking*
A.S.

*Nods back* Yup yup...I can definitely see where your theories are coming from, though I can't say I fully agree or disagree. A lot of it is stereotyping, and like you said, it isn't 100% the reason, but I can't deny how it might seem that way. The females get shafted more often than not, but as Adi and I were saying the coolness does seep through every now and again, and that's better than nothing. "Steps in the right direction" and all that. :)

So, I can see your points/theories, and I agree with some, though not all of it. Lots of kunoichi are going medic-nin and we've got one barefoot and pregnant (as the saying goes) ... and widowed at that ... hopefully their awesomeness comes through with time. And not just with the kunoichi, but with all the neglected characters (Haven't seen much of Team 8 in Naruto II). :(

The object of a discussion is to put out theories and ideas to be analyzed and disected. I'm not in the least offended that you agree with part, but not all of my theories.
Stereotyping is probably the base of women not getting the spot light, the target audience probably plays a part and also, we don't know how much or how little of the Naruto plot line is spawned directly from Kishimoto's brain or how much is adviced upon by his staff. It looks like /someone/ wants to make women more important, but other factors keep ending it before it can fully come about. Also, perhaps Kishi's trying to represent a more historic setting in the Naruto world? A slightly medival Japan (ignoring the TV's, vcr's and electric lights...)
But yeah, what happend to the rest of the Rookie Nine + Team Gai? Shikamaru got the spot light for a little while, the rest of team ten and team Gai where looked at for a little aanndd.. Team eight showed up long enough for us to see them post time skip and they disappeared again........ W.T.F. What ever happened to Hinata-chan making herself stronger? What new abilities does Kiba or Shino have? Inquiring minds want to know!
A.S.

Hello! Just popping out from lurkdom to comment randomly.

Ahaha Akatsuki is such a tender, loving, friendly, close-knit group. XD
Kisame: Really now? Haha... So the "Zombie Twins" are dead, eh? I wish I could've seen how they were killed.

Just for nitpicking's sake I'm fairly sure Kisame called Hidan and Kakazu the "zombie combi" rather than the "zombie twins". (^^;;; If you're going to write fic about it or anything)

... how come Juugo and Suigetsu both have a rep even the Akatsuki know about, and the girl is, once again, the a non-entity. ... nngh. After all she doesn't seem to be as much of a fighter.

Actually this might be more of a compliment to Karin than anything else. Juugo might have been known before because he was born with the curse of turning into a fearsome demon, and Suigetsu because he was from Kisame's village, but Karin was chosen by Sasuke despite not having any such ability. I don't think she's necessarily less strong than they are because she's not as well known.. after all, the Akatsuki said that Hidan and Kakazu were taken down by Kakashi's team, but in reality Shikamaru took on Hidan nearly all by himself.

Also, on the subject of Itachi and Kisame, this might not be so clear in Hisshouburaiken's translation, but their relationship strikes me as so very domestic, somehow. Kisame suggesting that they take shelter because it's not healthy to stay out in the rain..

I belive that it was mentioned that she was recruted in spite of having less than groundbreaking fighting skills. It could be as simple as getting a med-nin that he could trust not to knife him in his sleep (or KO him and drag his ass back before a 'Kage), or it might be more...subtle.
While the concern for well-being displayed for certain comrades might incline one to think that this is, shall we say, uncaring, the general atmosphere reminds me of
Leader: single parent trying to keep a lid on things. Deals with small, immature children who hunt down demons as a hobby.
Itachi: Teenager who doesn't want to be associated with the others. Would rather spend time locked in his room painting his fingernails and plotting how better to make little brother miserable.
Tobi: "the youngest", the one that no one likes, gets in people's hair. If anyone has had siblings, they most likely have an idea what I'm talking about.
The others have a slightly more ambigious role, but...

I belive that it was mentioned that she was recruted in spite of having less than groundbreaking fighting skills.

Hmm, do you mean what Sasuke said in 348? I don't have the raw and the tankouban isn't out yet so I can't be sure, but according to Hisshouburaiken's Scanlations Sasuke said there were plenty of "strong" (as opposed to "stronger") fighters he could have recruited "easily", which means that he could have considered her just as strong as any of the groundbreaker fighters, or that he considered her a strong groundbreaker fighter who was not as "easy" as the rest to recruit.

It could be as simple as getting a med-nin that he could trust not to knife him in his sleep (or KO him and drag his ass back before a 'Kage), or it might be more...subtle.

I dunno, I guess I'm just not comfortable with the idea that just because Karin hasn't shown too much raw destructive power yet she's considered a "weak(er)" fighter. I don't think it's an issue of getting a med-nin he trusts, either, judging by how ready he seemed to walk away from her "Fine.. if you feel that strongly, I'll get someone else." (unless he was lying or trying to manipulate her, which I think doesn't really seem very much like what he'd do..) I do hope it's something more subtle.. I want to see what Karin does! Maybe sensei is just building up anticipation?

Itachi: Teenager who doesn't want to be associated with the others. Would rather spend time locked in his room painting his fingernails and plotting how better to make little brother miserable.

I dunno if I'd call him that.. personally he strikes me as having an "better than you and I know it" attitude, but his interaction with Kisame didn't seem to me to be very aloof.. just calm. But that's just me. ^^;;;

This comment is getting quite long but I just want to say that I agree with your assessment of the others.. and I'm starting to wonder how old Leader and the rest are, if Kakazu was old enough to have fought the first Hokage.. and what's the turnover rate in Akatsuki like, if Hidan was a relatively new replacement...

They did refer to Hidan and Kazuzu as "the zombie twins", probably due to their inability (real or preceved) to die. I think that Kazuzu was the oldest, followed by Sasiori. Itachi is probably the youngest. Tobi is the newest member, but there is widespread speculation that Tobi is Obito in the NMR forums. (I'm taking that with a very large grain of salt, however. These are the same people who confidently declare that the Leader is the the rock that fell on Obito, and argue with the ones that declare that it is Yondiame). Kisame would seem to be about middle-aged, a little older than Zazuba who seemed to be close to Kakashi's age. I think that age doesn't really play into their senority or when they joined.
Okay, I'll agree with your counter-assesment of Itachi. Looking back now, I don't agree with my own assesment.
On the one hand, out of all of them she is the most likely to be a med-nin. (I don't remember if it is stated if she is or not) What I ment to say was that she was selected for reasons other than her fighting prowess. And I don't have a problem seeing Sasuke being manipulitive if it will serve his ends.
348? Eh, sounds about right. I don't have the cahpter up looking at it right now, but that is probably it.

Someone has a ruthless streak.

That was my uber-squee moment, because Sakura has always had a ruthless streak and it brings back dear memories of her fight against Sasori, when she goes "you know things about Orochimaru, I'll make you tell me everything you know about him" and it shows that it wasn't a fluke and that Kishi knows what he's doing and omg squee.

And I swear there's a pic where Itachi smiles. Or almost smiles. Uchiha-smiles, in any case.

--animegirl41491
I absolutely agree with you about the sir leader thing. Being a leader (especially of a fairly small group) is not unlike being a babysitter/elementary-school teacher.XD

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