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(teamwork) author notes/ Sakura discussion
So I've received many comments about Teamwork!Sakura VS Canon!Sakura, some that I even sort of agree with. I already know how to fix her, or start to fix her, anyway! But it can't happen just yet, and in the meantime, she is still very much not post-timeskip!Sakura, and I can't just expect people to trust me for something like that. XD
So yay! TL;DR author notes ahoy. XD; Plz point out anything that isn't coherent with my explanations -- or heck, even anything that could be trimmed out to make it less OMG AN ESSAY YUCK ME NO READ.
Also, if you have anything to point out, or want to discuss characterization, please feel free, i'm open on the subject. u.u
Yeah, I'm aware that my Sakura is very much not current canon!Sakura. It bothers me, because I like kickass!determined!Sakura better than useless!unsure!weak!Sakura, and I'm having a hard time keeping Sakura's characterization consistent for my story. :sigh:
The problem is, in this world she doesn't have the same motivation.
In canon, suddenly Sasuke was gone on a quest to destroy his own soul; she had all the time in the world to think about what would happen to the boy she loved if they didn't get him back, and she was faced, rather brutally, with the fact that Naruto could not fix everything -- and especially with the fact that just because Naruto could perhaps fix most things, it didn't mean it was okay for her to use him to further HER goals, even if he got hurt in the process, instead of getting off her ass and doing it herself, or at least giving him a hand. And then Naruto was leaving with Jiraiya, Team Seven was exploding, and she needed to do something, and hey! Tsunade was there and Sakura had nothing to lose by asking.
In Teamwork, she barely had the time to realize that Sasuke was gone after rejecting her, and then Naruto was bringing him back. Sure, he brought back a Sasuke who was seriously unbalanced, and furious, and pretty close to hating the two of them forever, on top of a Sasuke who had months of hospital stay to look forward to. It took about three to four years for Team Seven to go back to their pre-Itachi camaraderie, and in the meantime there was uneasiness and resentment and confusion. But Sasuke was there, he wasn't gone, he was slowly getting better. And she was at a complete loss as to how to help him, because he didn't need saving, he didn't need physical fixing (well, not from her anyway), he needed healing of the soul, and he didn't want to be healed. She didn't NEED to become stronger right here and now, so she didn't seek out Tsunade. She worked on her skills on her own, with a few pointers from Kakashi and Shizune, maybe a little more motivated than before, and she tried to pretend that nothing within their team had changed. After all, Sasuke was still there, right?
Sure, Teamwork!Sakura wants to improve, but it's mostly for herself and to improve her self-respect; it isn't to bring back Sasuke like in canon, because Naruto already did that. And it's been proven many times that she doesn't have Naruto's drive and even less Sasuke's obsession; simply wanting to be stronger isn't reason enough for her. Her teammates, and presumably her friends and family, would be reason enough... if they had the good sense to put themselves in the kind of danger that Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't fix in two days, without bothering to wait for her.
She only progressed so fast during the Timeskip because she was totally on her own and it was... not "do or die", but close (that and Tsunade gave her exactly the kind of training she needed -- not to badmouth Kakashi but he really didn't take care of her specific needs all that well); Teamwork!Naruto and Sasuke have the best intentions in the world when they protect her, and she wouldn't throw away their support for anything, but they've been stifling her growth. But seeing how much it would hurt her to be separated from them, especially since she has never wanted to be strong just for the sake of being strong, I think she'd rather progress more slowly and stay with them, even if sometimes it chafes a bit.
But damn, it's hard to juggle the two versions sometimes. I have to check all the time that I'm not leaving her at the exact same place she was at twelve, or that I'm not going too fast and making her badass like her Timeskip self without enough justification (and then there's the pregnancy hormones and mood swings to balance too -- and I know it's still too early for a normal pregnancy, but hers isn't what I'd call normal. She'll be lucky if she stops getting morning sickness by her fifth month, for example.)
So dude. I KNOW she's not as cool and badass as manga!Sakura. She can't realistically be. She has no reason to just yet. I'm going to fix that, in a manner that works with the Teamwork universe. I hope it will work. But in the meantime you will have to trust me, and tolerate weaker!Sakura a little while longer.
I'm counting on all of you to tell me if I'm going too fast or too slowly with her growth, please. My ego is fine, and I know I'm not bad at this writing thing, but I know I'm certainly not perfect either. I won't get better if I don't know where the problems are. I don't need you to give me "oh, no, she's in character!" comments if you don't honestly think that she is, for this setting; I can't feel her POV as well as I feel Sasuke's, and I very much need people to spot for me on that.
Hell, I can't feel Naruto's POV as well as Sasuke's either, and sometimes it seriously bugs me. Hnngh. I have a feeling I tend to make Naruto way too cool, and while I like him being cool sometimes, well... it's not very IC either.
Also, I definitely should have more Kyuubi and Inner Sakura cameos. :prods muses: Gimme funny-growly, you.
So yay! TL;DR author notes ahoy. XD; Plz point out anything that isn't coherent with my explanations -- or heck, even anything that could be trimmed out to make it less OMG AN ESSAY YUCK ME NO READ.
Also, if you have anything to point out, or want to discuss characterization, please feel free, i'm open on the subject. u.u
Yeah, I'm aware that my Sakura is very much not current canon!Sakura. It bothers me, because I like kickass!determined!Sakura better than useless!unsure!weak!Sakura, and I'm having a hard time keeping Sakura's characterization consistent for my story. :sigh:
The problem is, in this world she doesn't have the same motivation.
In canon, suddenly Sasuke was gone on a quest to destroy his own soul; she had all the time in the world to think about what would happen to the boy she loved if they didn't get him back, and she was faced, rather brutally, with the fact that Naruto could not fix everything -- and especially with the fact that just because Naruto could perhaps fix most things, it didn't mean it was okay for her to use him to further HER goals, even if he got hurt in the process, instead of getting off her ass and doing it herself, or at least giving him a hand. And then Naruto was leaving with Jiraiya, Team Seven was exploding, and she needed to do something, and hey! Tsunade was there and Sakura had nothing to lose by asking.
In Teamwork, she barely had the time to realize that Sasuke was gone after rejecting her, and then Naruto was bringing him back. Sure, he brought back a Sasuke who was seriously unbalanced, and furious, and pretty close to hating the two of them forever, on top of a Sasuke who had months of hospital stay to look forward to. It took about three to four years for Team Seven to go back to their pre-Itachi camaraderie, and in the meantime there was uneasiness and resentment and confusion. But Sasuke was there, he wasn't gone, he was slowly getting better. And she was at a complete loss as to how to help him, because he didn't need saving, he didn't need physical fixing (well, not from her anyway), he needed healing of the soul, and he didn't want to be healed. She didn't NEED to become stronger right here and now, so she didn't seek out Tsunade. She worked on her skills on her own, with a few pointers from Kakashi and Shizune, maybe a little more motivated than before, and she tried to pretend that nothing within their team had changed. After all, Sasuke was still there, right?
Sure, Teamwork!Sakura wants to improve, but it's mostly for herself and to improve her self-respect; it isn't to bring back Sasuke like in canon, because Naruto already did that. And it's been proven many times that she doesn't have Naruto's drive and even less Sasuke's obsession; simply wanting to be stronger isn't reason enough for her. Her teammates, and presumably her friends and family, would be reason enough... if they had the good sense to put themselves in the kind of danger that Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't fix in two days, without bothering to wait for her.
She only progressed so fast during the Timeskip because she was totally on her own and it was... not "do or die", but close (that and Tsunade gave her exactly the kind of training she needed -- not to badmouth Kakashi but he really didn't take care of her specific needs all that well); Teamwork!Naruto and Sasuke have the best intentions in the world when they protect her, and she wouldn't throw away their support for anything, but they've been stifling her growth. But seeing how much it would hurt her to be separated from them, especially since she has never wanted to be strong just for the sake of being strong, I think she'd rather progress more slowly and stay with them, even if sometimes it chafes a bit.
But damn, it's hard to juggle the two versions sometimes. I have to check all the time that I'm not leaving her at the exact same place she was at twelve, or that I'm not going too fast and making her badass like her Timeskip self without enough justification (and then there's the pregnancy hormones and mood swings to balance too -- and I know it's still too early for a normal pregnancy, but hers isn't what I'd call normal. She'll be lucky if she stops getting morning sickness by her fifth month, for example.)
So dude. I KNOW she's not as cool and badass as manga!Sakura. She can't realistically be. She has no reason to just yet. I'm going to fix that, in a manner that works with the Teamwork universe. I hope it will work. But in the meantime you will have to trust me, and tolerate weaker!Sakura a little while longer.
I'm counting on all of you to tell me if I'm going too fast or too slowly with her growth, please. My ego is fine, and I know I'm not bad at this writing thing, but I know I'm certainly not perfect either. I won't get better if I don't know where the problems are. I don't need you to give me "oh, no, she's in character!" comments if you don't honestly think that she is, for this setting; I can't feel her POV as well as I feel Sasuke's, and I very much need people to spot for me on that.
Hell, I can't feel Naruto's POV as well as Sasuke's either, and sometimes it seriously bugs me. Hnngh. I have a feeling I tend to make Naruto way too cool, and while I like him being cool sometimes, well... it's not very IC either.
Also, I definitely should have more Kyuubi and Inner Sakura cameos. :prods muses: Gimme funny-growly, you.

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(Anonymous) 2006-11-15 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)What if Naruto starts having problems with the Kyuubi burning out his body or Sasuke has problems resisting the seal, could she find a reason to bump up her medical training if only so that they'll always have a top notch mednin with them at all times? Would that be life or death? If they were threatened with execution or exile if they didn't find a way to leash their darker sides that didn't include actual chains? Or if the baby needed a full time doctor during it's childhood to help it control the unsealed Kyuubi chakra, or contamination from the heaven seal? And she just couldn't trust anyone except the Hokage to do it without 'accidently' harming her baby? You know mother hormones kicking in majorly. 'Cause you know the Hokage can't be expected to drop Konoha just because the kid has a break out. Oo, baby can't go to school unless someone's controlling its chakra surges, and noone wants the Kyuubi to be closer to the baby than it has to be and Sasuke just can't be the siphon, but Mummy can! Mothers will do anything for their babies.
I'm gonna stop 'cause I'm spirling into the far future which doesn't help much. Otherwise I really want Sakura to go kickass too, 'cause then she'll get the good stuff from Sasuke. Maybe the baby will fufil her 'I need to be loved' problem and then she'll stop hanging over Sasuke, oooo Sasuke jealous of the baby! Just a little *slaps self*, signing off and shutting up.
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*snerk* Ahh, so many plot things that need to happen before that brat can get born.
(oh! and you were the one from last post, yes? ^^ No, I didn't give the baby a gender, but Sasuke tends to assume it will be a boy (though he would say "it" easily enough but Naruto and Sakura would glare, and he-or-she gets awkward after a while) and Naruto just says "her" to counter it. Naruto thinks soft and squishy, which to him means girl; Sasuke thinks little person, and well, he didn't have a lot of girls in his life XD;;)
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Nope, no confirmation either way, sorry. >D
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Rescue Naruto mission? Was kidnapped by Akatsuki, and now Shikamaru, Kiba, Chouji, Sasuke, Neji and Akamaru left to rescue him. Something happens, and now they have delayed the inevitable for 3 years, Sakura decides that she desperatly needs to get stronger. After training with (pick a Sannin) for 2 1/2 years, she returns to Konoha badass-er than ever before! Oh, and the kid was staying with the Yamanikas.
No? Good. that would be too cheesy.
But seriously, diplomatic tensions with (rival village), war on the horizen, people mobilizing, need for more medics, something like that?
As for Naruto, why is he only hanging out with his team? Yes, it's his team, and he's sleeping with over half of them, but in canon there were other people he talked to. Here he might run into Jariya, or steal something from the Hokage's office, but outside that? Sakura stayed with the Yamanikas, Sasuke has to be forced to assosiate with anyone (himself included), but Naruto ate out at Ichiraku's with Iruka, he and Shikamaru went to visit Chouji in the hospital, he played ninja with the Konohamaru corps. Where are these people?
As for Inner Sakura/Kyuubi, would Kyuubi be in her head? There was something mentioned about it early on but I don't recall what the explanation was.
Inner Sakura says whatever Sakura is thinking but is too nice (constrained by society) to say. I don't remember where I was going with that.
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Also...
And it's been proved many times that she doesn't have Naruto's drive</>
Might should be changed to "proven"? Otherwise, didn't see anything out of the ordinary. /hug
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As for all those other people, my chapters are already way, way, WAY too long and I want to be done with this fic already XD so I'm cutting out most scenes that are useless to the main plot of teamwork 2, IE, the seal stuff. Which is why Naruto doesn't get scenes with Iruka or Konohamaru even though he is still seeing them regularly. It just happens offscreen for now because there really is no space and they would bring nothing anyway. (though I did forget to drop mentions of that recently. x_x) I just wrote the one scene with neji and it felt out of place and a little random, even though it was technically in the right spot chronologically speaking.
The one-shots that will follow Teamwork 2 focus more on outside interaction -- Sakura with Tsunade and Shizune, Naruto with the Inuzukas and perhaps Hinata, perhaps something with Sasuke and the policemen but I'm still thinking about it; and hopefully there will be a short mission to Suna, so that means Shika, Gaara, Kankuro and Temari interaction. Then there's the chuunin exam oh god i'll have to invent OC teams, and then the marriage and stuff and ahhh too much stuff to think about. i ded.
I just have to pick and choose what I mention in the big fics, because otherwise it will really get too chaotic. The little fics are more for exploring one facet of things. Makes sense? ^^;;;
As for Inner Saku, you shall have to wait and see~ :3
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Thanks love. *edit edit*
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(Anonymous) 2006-11-15 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)Yet she's the one carrying their child. So both the boys being "above" her, while she mothers them, essentially makes her the barefoot and pregnant housewifey. That's something I think that even pre-timeskip!Sakura would not be happy with. Before Sasuke left she still had her moments of truth during the Chuunin exams, right? She's not Naruto, but she has been shown as wanting to improve herself beyond the context of saving Sasuke's ass.
Essentially, the inequality between the characters makes the whole threesome relationship seem rather unhealthy to me. This may possibly be because you're a better at depicturing the SasuNaru bond than the NaruSaku and SasuSaku bonds. And I don't mean that as an insult - you write wonderful NaruSasu, and I think that you have a lot more practice with writing it than you do the het portions of your threesome.
I hope you're not offended by this post, but I like your writing enough that I really hope you can turn things around. You don't seem like a Sakura-hater, and I don't think that what I'm getting from Teamwork is what you're trying to portray, at all. I'm also aware that a lot of your readership has a different opinion of this than I do.
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That said, ganbarre yo! Keep up the delicious, delicious fanfiction. <3
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You say she does not have the motivation of the post-time skip Sakura but I think I see it differently.
*She might die* and *she has an unborn baby to protect*.
I have seen people that I know make drastic changes in their lifestyles for similar reasons.
You would be amazed that a cancer diagnosis or diabetes diagnosis gets lazy over-eaters slim and trim and healthy in a matter of months.
Sakura has her inner self that could be a good source of strength as she goes through her first trimester.
From what we have seen of Naruto's training regime in the manga, it is possible for a ninja to undergo a very rigorous training programme and achieve results in a short time period (Lee does not have as much chakra as Sakura, but his stamina is great!). I think that you can realistically speed up Sakura's progress and keep her IC for this universe.^^
Call me optimistic!
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As for concrit, I think that maybe more instances of Inner Sakura now will make the transition easier to swallow in Teamwork (as opposed to in the canon where it was all 'well it's been so long, she must be different! :D?'), because it's kinda like Inner Sakura helps form Badass Outer Sakura, isn't it?
Faito~~
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Also- if you plan to "level up" Sakura at some point, could you do us all a favor and give him some *real* Taijutsu training? Hell, Tsunade wants her to train her body anyway, so maybe Lee could teach her some things (Gai's course always strikes me as the best, and most demanding, way to get in shape in Konoha). I'm just....this whole "medical nins belong on the sidelines, so you only get to learn how to dodge" crap annoys me. She has a jutsu technique that would make her an absolute terror in a fist fight, but she still gets regulated to the sideline because she's a girl and apparently girls aren't allowed to kick more ass than the guys in Naruto.
Ahem...sorry. Ranting...yes. Thank you for the insight into Sakura's character. I think you do her lots of justice. Looking forward to more.
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In fact, I willingly spoiled myself on the events in the manga and anime just so I could read fics like yours and
So in other words, from a total outsider's perspective, I think you're doing just fine in characterization because you've made it work for you and you thought it out. A lot of writers don't go through that kind of examination of their characters and it's good to know that you do. I like Sakura the way she is and I think she's a great AU character.
Hope this helps.
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Honestly, reading and re-reading your sidefics over and over is the only way I can keep sane between updates. I itched so much for more Teamwork 2 that I read all of the Narto-based stuff on all of the linked sites on your sidebar. Yes, even that kinda creepy Lace and Strawberries one. And the long drabble for des? Yeah, gotta find that again so I can read it again, too.
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The problem is that they're all so busy being worried about everything, the Sakura I'm working with really isn't in the mood to be more assertive right now. I know it's still off balance between them, but hopefully in the next parts they will relax a bit and she will get used to things. I never said they were at the best point of their relationship right now. ;p The threesome's stability is still very much a work in progress.
(also, Sakura still needs to plant a fist in Sasuke's face. u.u; That boy's so weird about what turns him on...)
It will definitely get more balanced as time goes on, but they will never love the other two the same exact way, anyway. Their dynamics will be in flux all the time. Right now, Sasuke and Naruto are allied to protect Sakura, and they're always good when they have to fight something together. Hopefully in the next parts she will get sick and tired of their coddling and stop being so barefoot-anf-pregnant-y. XD;;
I wasn't really meaning to portray their treatment of Sakura as a good thing; it's one more thing they (and kakashi) just started doing, and it comes from good intentions but it's getting more than annoying rather fast. Add to that the fact that it really chafes to be saved by them AGAIN when she knows she should have saved herself, and she'll reach critical mass soonish, hopefully. XD
... oh damn it, now I want to write the post-Teamwork2 Tsunade/Sakura sidefic thing.
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Itachi'll light a fire under her ass too, just you wait. (and this so wasn't a spoiler, he's in the freakin' summary XD)
The thing is that Sakura wasn't training for precision or speed -- she was just training for chakra, lots and lots of chakra. In my mind, stretching your reserves like this takes a little bit of time -- you can't go too fast, and besides Sakura is so used to using exactly the quantity she needs that making lots more just to HAVE them is contrary to her normal style.
it's not a technique that you have to practice until you have it right, it's more like stretching your body -- or, eww, like an african ear piercing. You can't put the plate-sized ear-ring-things in directly, you have to stretch progressively or it tears. That's the way I see the sheer volume of chakra behaving, anyway.
Once it's about learning new techniques -- ninjutsu, genjutsu, medical jutsu or whatever -- she'll be a lot faster.
... does it make sense? And i probably should have explained it in the fic. x_x;;;
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And hopefully she'll start the getting better thing in the very next chapter/one-shot thing I have planned. I'm still juggling with the ideas and seeing what I want to say about her, and besides I have to finish the goddamn seal-and-lemon thing first. hnnn.
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Oh god YES, I will. =____=;;; And she'll be more of a field medic than a well-rounded medic anyway -- when she gets older perhaps she'll study more medicine but right now what she wants is to be able to keep pace with her boys in battle, fix them up when they do stupid things, and that's it. ... The training with Lee is a great idea, because I seriously need to adress their relationship anyway and he'll probably be a great sparring partner for her, if she asks him earnestly to give his best. *^^*
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Personally, I love the betrayal thing in a way, because it made sense for Sasuke's character and it generated unholy amounts of angst and character growth for Naruto and Sakura. XD But oww sometimes I just need to write cute when they could have stayed together as wish-fulfillment.
It did help. Thank you. ^__^
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However, since FMA is shorter, I think I need to buy that one first.
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InoShikaTem?
Are the Chunnin Exams going to be held in Suna this rotation? I can imagine Naruto complaining about how the sand gets EVERYWHERE, and that there might be a bit more friction tonight (and Sakura and Sasuke ignore him)
I hadn't considered the policemen. They are probably the closest thing Sasuke has left of his old family. (With one trifling exception, of course)
Yes, I see. Thank you.
Naruto and the Inuzuka. A match made in some sugar-induced hell. ^^; Hinata has to be there: She's the calming influence on both of them. *nods vigorously*
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Maybe~ Naruto's gonna complain anyway because it isn't in Konoha and he's used to the trees. The survival test is going to be so fun. >D
I kind of thought of the policemen just as I was listing them for you, really. XD;;; Been trying to find something for Sasuke to do, but it wouldn't come until today, so thanks for the indirect inspiration ;3
Alright, I'll have her drop in. We need to see her a bit anyway. Also Naruto needs to tell her about Kyuubi, since Neji and Kiba already know.
ShikaTem?
Uh... you're welcome? Whatever works I suppose. (Anything to help Asuka-sempai!) He's too proud to ask for stories of his family, isn't he?
Thank You! *snuggles* Wait... when did they find out? And wouldn't she have a clue from the incedent with him curling up on her lap?
ShikaTem, ShikaIno... or hey, TemaIno. It's hot XD
Sasuke won't ask, no, but I bet they would share anyway. ^^
XD;;; hon, that one-shot happened like at month eight of Sakura's pregnancy. It's way in the future from now. So no, she doesn't know yet. (I'll need to rewrite it a bit to fit it into the chronology when I get there, though.)
Yes. Yes it is.
Ugh, rewriting. The fear of it keeps me from doing...something, I'm sure.
Still, that makes sense. Thank you for clarifying
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Plus, sometimes it feels a bit like you're writing SasuNaru with a Sakura added too, as opposed to a complete threesome but, given that you find those two easier to write, that's to be expected :p
But I would like to see more Inner Sakura, and for Sakura to have more fire in her, instead of moping. Maybe from some external threat, or just because her baby protection hormones are kicking in. Or her getting some making out time too.
But hey, I know you're gonna lead us somewhere great, and I'm more than happy to see where you take us *grins*
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(Anonymous) 2006-11-17 09:18 am (UTC)(link)Sometimes it does seem that it's more SasuNaru oh look Sakura too. But I think the problem is that her scenes with Sasuke are always short or only half-seen. Also Sasuke does need to be pushed a little and he likes people who can take a bit of rough handling emotionally speaking, cause he just can't kid glove people all the time, and Sakura just doesn't do that. Even if she did work up enough guts to go demanding on him I'm not sure she'd be happy with something that she felt she had to rip out of him kicking and screaming. She wants the romantic love that is shown easily by touches and hand holding. The kind she gets from Naruto. Ah sigh, young love, so difficult.
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(Anonymous) 2006-11-17 10:41 am (UTC)(link)It might help make things feel more like a true threesome, if the SasuSaku bonding scenes weren't always from Naruto's POV? Whenever we see Sasuke accomodate Sakura there's very little indication as to why he does so.
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I know it's all NaruSasu and NaruSaku right now, but I just can't work properly on the SasuSaku right now. It would be illogical, both because of Naruto's POV and because of the characters themselves -- Sakura worried and not wanting to be assertive right now and Sasuke focusing on potentially dangerous external stuff because it's easier than dealing with feelings. But hopefully I'll be done with the chapter altogether soon. =___=;;;
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http://askerian.livejournal.com/301498.html?view=5784506#t5784506
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I will wait in anticipation!! (If I hold my breath will I still be alive?)
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But I'm thinking that if you somehow used the intense training she'll need to your advantage...
Although this was all yesterday when I wasn't signed into my own computer and couldn't remember my password, so since then you've add Chapter 6.gazillian, meaning of course that that particular option is dashed, oh well.
Anyways... I'm sure you'll make Sakura just as awesome as she is currently.