(teamwork) betaed chapter 5 is posted~
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2327864/5/ *^_____________^*
Now to post it to Mediaminer,
naruto_ot3 and... hmm. Affnet blows; not sure I feel like bothering. =_=;
Thanks to
windshades for betaing. *squishes* ♥
edit: now with great ninja cops debate for the win. ♥
Now to post it to Mediaminer,
Thanks to
edit: now with great ninja cops debate for the win. ♥

...Words fail.
The ending is just... beautiful. Team Seven doesn't need any words, the actions say far more than words ever could. The walk through the Uchiha district, with all those little details ("the sliding doors that made that neat noise when snapping closed, and open, and closed, snap! woosh-snap! Sasuke! Will you stop that?" ...words fail me)...
And then the realization that this wasn't something that he could 'get over,' the fact that he recognized that however logical, however practical, he simply couldn't just move back in, couldn't imagine the people dear to him living there - and burning it down.
That was a catharsis long in coming and desperately needed. And possibly an important step towards the catharsis we talked about a while ago - of letting himself mourn for the brother he loved and free himself from the hold Itachi has over him.
And then Naruto and Sakura are there, just when he needs him, and somehow managing to do just the right things to keep him from falling apart. All the fights and arguments and clashes aside, when it's really important they don't miss a step.
...And Naruto grousing at Ino about ruining the moment was too, too perfect. :-P And somehow managed to be funny and yet NOT break the mood. I stand in awe.
Although you just know Ino's going to want to know what happened. THAT will be an interesting chat. "Oh, Dad interrogated the boys using every trick in the ninja book, Mom ostracized Naruto and nearly got Sasuke going at her throat for it, and afterwards Sasuke went to the Uchiha district, burned his old house down, and we spent the rest of the time at the police station. How was your evening?"
Speaking of the police station - interesting. Sasuke may have some hitherto unsuspected support from that area. I found the resentment of the police - which then disappeared when they recognized Sasuke - to be very, very intriguing. Particularly given the officer's reaction; I'm probably reading too much into it, but I seemed to pick up an air of 'about damn time' from him.
That might be something to explore later, if you want to go that route. It would be nice for the trio to have allies and supporters other than the big-name types like Tsunade and Jiraiya, or immediate acquaintances like the other (former) rookies.
And now I'm waiting half in anticipation and half in terror to find out what crazy scheme for helping with the baby Naruto's going to pull out THIS time.
...I guess the "Professionally Anonymous" title doesn't quite fit anymore, does it? :-P
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not obsessed at all, no.The Uchiha district scene was already complete and pushing at me to get written when I didn't even realize i'd need to write the meeting with the parents yet. u__u;;; It wasn't even a Teamwork bunny at first; Teamwork cannibalized it. XD It was just so vivid, I had to get it out. I'm really glad other people seem to like it ^^
I just might have to write more Ino and Sakura talk. *snickers* Maybe I could somehow insert it into Naruto's chapter... hmm. I still don't know what's going to happen in the first scene, apart from the fact that it contains a talk with Kyuubi about their "bitches". (don't even remember how to write naruto anymore. ~__~; )
Ohhh, yes, you're right, I should use the policemen again. They could make for some really neat OCs and dynamics, too... mrrr.
In my mind, it wasn't quite an "about damn time" reaction -- but it certainly was a "well, I'm not surprised", combined with some "hopefully that will help, poor kid." That's close enough.
... okay, damn it, he's starting to develop. XD *prods at old police guy* Think he's from a ninja clan? Had an Uchiha partner when he still patrolled... I wonder what rank he is. Probably not the chief, but up there; I don't know much about police ranks. Research time! ♥
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We don't get a lot of the civilians in the source, but the police of Konoha are probably not very big players - not with the high concentration of ninja. Societies where everyone (or a large percentage of the population) either carries pointy things or supplies pointy things (or other necessities like food) tend to be polite out of necessity. :-P So the police force wouldn't be POWERFUL allies - but they would possibly be interesting ones.
The officer... could be from a clan. If he is, though, he was probably a wash-out in some way. Then again, having him be from a Clan might be a good thing for the force - gives them better information about the goings-on of the ninjas. Uchiha partner... possibly. ...How old is he, anyway? I got an impression of 'veteran,' so fairly? If so, he may even have worked with Sasuke's father, if only across the desks in coordinating efforts.
Then there's the other policemen. For some reason, I interpreted the 'muttering' that Sasuke notices as being, not "Reckless kids" or "Damn arsonists" but "How dare they touch that area!" It would be INTERESTING if the police force as a whole maintained a kind of... not loyalty, precisely, but respect and regard for the Uchiha clan.
Not to mention... It occurs to me that of the civilians, they might be the group most likely to accept Naruto. Being civilians, they wouldn't have been directly involved in fighting Kyuubi, and being policemen, they probably would have been the ones roped into cleaning up after his pranks. :-P So while they probably do know Naruto as "that damn troublemaker," it may supersede "that damn fox."
Not that I think they'd DO much about it - but it would be interesting if Naruto found, after the truth of Team Seven's relationship came out, that after the natural "WTF?!" period, the policemen actually started warming to him a little bit - if only at the level of saying hello.
Heck - if Naruto wants to become Hokage, he has to make peace with the civilians. The police force wouldn't be a bad start. :-P
...And... I'll stop yammering about my ideas for your story, shall I? :-P
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I'm not sure if the policemen of Konoha are really considered civilians; in Teamwork I said that they all went through the ninja academy. Also I get a feeling that they were all ninjas, and the village's police was a branch of Konoha's organization, maybe not quite like the hunter-nins, but more like the medic-nins working at the hospital. I guess they also have more normal doctors, and lots of medic-nins are on teams, but some of them probably stay in Konoha with the hospital -- that's kind of how I saw the police. They're still ninjas, just not free to take normal missions most of the time.
They're no really in the normal hierarchy, though, even if they are. And probably closer to civilians. *ponders*
Probably have their own micro-society, and don't consider any normal ninja as "one of theirs". But seeing as the police force was comprised in majority of Uchihas before the massacre, Sasuke is one of theirs by default, much like the widow or orphan of a normal cop would be. Moreso, probably, because he's the last; and everyone who was a cop ten years ago is bound to have worked with Uchihas, even distantly, and quite probably the field cops were more often than not teamed up "one Uchiha/one other-clan or civilian-born". Sasuke is the only thing the old-timers have left of their partners, and ninjas and cops both emphasize the link between partners. So yeah, pretty important to everyone who was already a cop ten years ago, even if "their" Uchiha was only distantly related.
Though a few of them still won't have forgiven him for trying to betray Konoha. Hmm.
Anyway I'm not sure how large the police force is; you raise an interesting point about that "polite by default" thing. I guess it would cut down on some misdemeanors, but seeing how they're all desensitized to death early on, the bad elements of the population would have less of a problem killing people. So the police might not be very large, but I'd think they still have to be at least mildly badass. XD No recuperating washouts for them. (especially not given how proud the Uchihas were; they wouldn't have bothered with the police force if it was the kind of dead-end job in which you shove people who don't cut it for anything else)
and yes! the muttering was very much "how DARE they vandalize the Uchiha district ZOMG!! kids these days, no respect for anything!" :3
I don't have a clue about the way they'd react to Naruto; will have to think more on it. But it makes sense that they'd know him for his pranks. XD
And the officer -- i get a feeling that Sasuke's dad was his "sempai", kinda trained/partnered him as a detective or whatever it is they do. So... hmmm. One might wonder why he didn't show up to help sasuke before then, though; I might have to scrape that idea of partners. But he was maybe five years younger than Uchi-daddy, so.. hmmmmm.
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The police may be ninja, but... they'd have to be specially trained ninja. More knowledge of the laws, more adherence to regulations. Regular shinobi would NOT know how to control a riot/manage crowds, for one thing. The whole point of "shinobi" is rather antithetical to it. ("Shinobu" - which is the word "shinobi" comes from - means "to sneak, to move stealthily, to go unseen." Er, basically... Dammit, now I'm curious. *pulls out a dictionary* Okay... Oh, interesting. One definition is "gaman suru" - in other words, to withstand adversity. I didn't know that... The next is "to do secretly," and the one after that is "to hide, to avoid the eyes of others." ...*coughs and looks sheepish* Okay, end language lesson... *hides*)
Okay, side-tracking aside... *glares at self... which when you think about that is physically impossible, isn't it...* The police would require very different training. Less fighting, for one thing, and they'd have to know how to handle people. "Keep the peace" generally means "get those two neighbors to stop shouting at each other" or "sort out who did this." Less psychological pitfalls, too, probably. And they would have to deal extensively with civilians - the shinobi themselves are policed by the higher-ranking shinobi, as I understand it. Crowd control... what do you bet that the police are the ones in charge of evacuating and protecting civilians in case of invasion?
Wonder if Sasuke will ever take up his family's old role regarding the police force. If nothing else, it would probably do him good; ninja don't strike me as being the best to deal with psychological fallout, while policemen probably have to face it a LOT while trying to sort out whodunit. And I actually could see Sasuke as doing quite well in that field.
The washout comment... I didn't mean it as 'incompetent.' It just seems to me that police are probably looked down on by normal shinobi as being 'weaker,' which means that if a clan member enters the police force they'd probably be considered as a failure. Even more so then scholars, possibly - at least scholars are doing something completely different, rather than settling for being 'lesser' shinobi. The clans seem fairly aloof - the idea of concerning themselves with the civilians on such a close level might seem degrading to them. (Not sure about that, though - never really got a good feel for them.)
So no, no recuperating washouts... but it might be seen as a place to throw people who mentally 'couldn't take' being shinobi. It also would be a field where all those flashy jutsu wouldn't count nearly as much as, say, being able to keep a level head and listen to three people shouting their side of the story at you all at once, or being able to get a traumatized victim to tell you what happened. One of those 'they aren't flashy and they get the job done, so nobody notices them and that's how they like it' mentalities, perhaps?
...Y'know, Naruto would be horrible at it, but I can see Sasuke taking to it (as I said before), and Sakura would probably fit in there as well...
Why he didn't show up to help Sasuke before... well, for one thing, once the Uchiha clan was massacred and Sasuke became the only Uchiha left, he suddenly became a very important pawn - er, personage in the clan politics. They would have kept an eye on him. Besides, the police force would have been in total disarray at the time! He was probably kept busy enough for four people - and then, when things finally settled down, the Sasuke question would already have been set aside.
The 'resent the attempted betrayal' bit... um, actually, I have some thoughts on that, but... *pauses* *eyes the length of the response so far* ...umm, maybe I'll just put that up on my own journal, since it's largely my personal speculations on canon... ^^;
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(Anonymous) 2006-04-09 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)(And it makes sense, I think—because while mad fighting skillz might not be necessary when playing mediator to a group of civilians, the stakes go way up when that group is comprised instead of fellow shinobi. All of a sudden, 'keeping the peace' requires an officer to have the firepower necessary to keep said ninja under control. In our world, that firepower comes in the form of guns and tasers; in Naruto-verse, it would likely have to be a result of the officer's own personal skills and abilities. And that's ignoring cases of true confrontation or resisted arrest, when an officer would actually have to be powerful enough to take down rogue chuunin and jounin. Shinobi might make up a relatively small part of Konoha's population, and probably wouldn't be involved in a lot of crimes around the Village, but there would still be the possibility of it happening. And in instances like that, members of the force would indeed have to be stronger than the ninja they're policing—as well as being smarter, saner, and more socially adept.)
So...yeah. Just what, if anything, you guys'll want to make with this I don't know, but... Hope it helps! Some. >.>;;; *crawls back to the dark corner of cyberspace from whence she came *
--Attaya (Who does not have a LJ account and does not wish to intrude, but who has already been fascinated by this subject for quite some time. And who apologizes in advance if these comments are unwelcome.)
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And no, you're not intruding at all. Heck,
If it's a fandom debate posted in public, it's pretty much free for anyone to comment on. ^__^
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And (replying both to the last two posts, and to your later post, Askerian/Asuka (which one DO you prefer, anyway? *baffled*)) thanks for reminding me about the fact that police probably WOULD have to deal with the shinobi as well. For some reason, I had the impression that the police dealt with civilians while the shinobi are usually dealt with by higher-ranking shinobi. But you're right - the police WOULD have to deal with shinobi as well.
Is the comment by Sasuke's father in the manga as well? (I usually view the anime as on the level of fanfiction/fanart - good for side entertainment and eye-candy, but I'll only accept information from it as canon if Kishimoto has verified it. I have a pretty good idea of how they make manga into anime, and plot is NOT a major consideration. -_-)
The police would still occupy an odd position in Konoha - they're ninja, but they aren't going out on missions for hire. (...Shinobi, Konoha's main export.) Do they have ranks equivalent to genin, chuunin, jounin, etc?
(...which actually raises a question I've had for a while, which is 'when does someone chose a specialization'? How are Anbu selected? Is it purely a matter of getting the specific training necessary in order to become a mednin or an interrogator or what have you? I can't imagine a fifteen-year-old policeman, so presumably that job would have an age limit, if only because you need a certain amount of visible authority...)
About Sasuke taking the job... I'm not sure it would occur to him that he's necessarily 'doing what daddy did.' It's just that justice is a major keystone of his philosophy. Yes, he probably remembers his family's pride in the police (and if he ends up interacting with the policemen much, he'd definitely get reminders), but I think that might be one link to the past where picking it up would actually make him feel better. Maybe he hasn't brought Itachi to justice yet, but at least he can see to it that justice is still served in Konoha.
And really, the best way to bind Sasuke to Konoha is to give him something constructive to do there.
...Although I still want to see Naruto and Sakura both go through a brief period of being examined (subtly) to see "are they good enough for our Uchiha?" :-P And then probably make friends among the policemen. Like I said before - the trio really do need to get some other allies. And the police may be stronger allies than I first thought...
About the posting in my journal... um, don't hold your breath. I have a speech I need to make Tuesday and I'm already stressing. *groans* WHY did I sign up for a speech class? I HATE speechifying!...
And Attaya - post away! Debate! I compel you! ^_^ Seriously, it's fun to have people to talk with about these things.
Heck - I've even gotten fond of the nick-name "Anon-chan" at this point. :-P
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Is the comment by Sasuke's father in the manga as well?
I dunno, couldn't find it in the start of the flashbacks, but then I don't have the later flashbacks, the longer ones happening during the fight at the Valley of the End. It isn't out yet. (also the official french traduction sucks cock. they're literal at the wrong moments and it's stiff and awkward and sometimes they translate very WTF things -- like Kakashi calling the Uchiha "his" clan, the hell, or them not bothering to translate the "sama" in Neji's speech toward Hinata, and then she calls him "brother" which just doesn't work in french and ARGH. it sucks. I still buy them all, because I must have them~ but I don't trust them much.)
The police would still occupy an odd position in Konoha - they're ninja, but they aren't going out on missions for hire. (...Shinobi, Konoha's main export.) Do they have ranks equivalent to genin, chuunin, jounin, etc?
They probably have "genin, chuunin, jounin" ranks, and it might count when they're drafted in -- it might happen for specific missions or in case there's a war. But the way I see it, they pass the exams, get their ninja rank, and then go to the police and apply for a position. It's like having a specific diploma means the difference between starting as a peon and never going higher than detective, and having a shot at division captain. I'm not entirely sure of the way things really work in a police station, though ^^;
As for how they choose specializations, not a clue. x__x;
And yes, I agree that it would be good for Sasuke to be a cop ^__^
About the posting in my journal... um, don't hold your breath. I have a speech I need to make Tuesday and I'm already stressing. *groans* WHY did I sign up for a speech class? I HATE speechifying!...
Ouch. XD;;; good luck. *hates speaking in public*
Heck - I've even gotten fond of the nick-name "Anon-chan" at this point. :-P
I'm going to call you that forever and ever. U____U ♥
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Translations... 'Brother' works no better in English. And it's a real pain in translating, let me tell you. (*translated a novella for her graduation project, during which the term 'oniichan' and variants thereof acted largely as the bane of her life*) Unfortunately, I don't speak French, or I'd volunteer to try my hand at doing a fan-translation for you, just to see if I could. Translating is fun - it's ALL about playing around with words, and I love doing that. :-P Lots of work, but still fun. Still, I suppose I could always go back and re-read that part in Naruto Manga Returns... Not particularly enthusiastic about that, though. That section of the manga is a little too... intense... to poke one's nose into just to check something out. -_-;
Speaking in public is EVIL. But, unfortunately, my job next year will involve a LOT of it. (Going to live in Japan! Yay! Work as cultural liaison... ergh. Will muddle through somehow...)
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Hinata calls him "brother Neji", which is awkward, weird and makes it sound like he's a monk. As for Neji, he could use "vous" (inferior-to-superior "you"), but he uses "tu" on her -- which is the equivalent of calling people -chan or -kun. Which means we lose the sense of resentful, forced respect that was one of the key points of Neji and Hinata's relationship -- and we just get an overbearing, smarmy asshole talking down at his little sister. Then they explain that they're not really siblings and it gets muddled even worse -- because they keep calling it the "Soke and Bunke" instead of "head" -- "aînée" = eldest -- and "branch" -- "cadette" = youngest in a strict family sense -- houses. And yet branche ainée, branche cadette are notions that are actually part of the language. ~_~
Yeah, that section is -- gyeh. T_T if i remembered the exact chapter, maybe I could go and look, but I don't fancy having to read it all over again right now.
(cultural liaison!! eee. ^__________^)
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...can't swear to save my life, but given that it's all in the tone of voice, I manage just fine with make-do curses.)As I understand it, a lot of the English translators go snapping up the people who do popular scanlations - along with the series they scanlate. Isn't there a French scanlator culture they could tap into?
And if by 'that section' we are going back to the flash-backs conversation... Yeah. Confession: it actually took me a week or two to actually get the nerve up to READ that part of the series, just because I already knew basically how it was going to end.
(Cultural liaison in this case being "more or less bilingual person kept around for general usefulness and because it makes us cool." :-P)
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(Anonymous) 2006-04-10 01:11 am (UTC)(link)Itachi (looking back at Sasuke): ….! What’s wrong?
Sasuke (looking up at Uchiha symbol on building’s front): This is where our father works, right?
Itachi (I think): It’s the headquarters of Leaf’s police force.
Sasuke: I was always wondering…why does the police force have our house symbol?
Itachi: What…you knew about that?
Sasuke: Of course!
Itachi: … Well, to make it simple…it’s been said that the guy who made this organization was our ancestor. That’s why they put the house emblem as the symbol of this place. Our clan protected the order of this village from long ago. Our emblem is also a mark of our honorable clan. The Uchiha clan hasn’t decreased but…almost all of us are working for the first division of the force and participating in keeping the order of the village. Only ones who can enforce the laws on shinobi’s crimes…are superior shinobis.
Sasuke: … *thinking* Wow. Father’s great!
So…yeah. ^_^ This little explanation stretches across three pages, but it does make for an interesting read (despite the occasional grammatical twists). Especially the “first division” tidbit—an order of ranking, perhaps? ~.^
Happily joining the 'debate',
Attaya ^_^
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(Anonymous) 2006-04-10 01:15 am (UTC)(link)--Attaya
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And with that said... *winces* Itachi said that? Poor Sasuke. Just when I thought he might have found relatively angst-free territory, too. The really painful part of that scene (or, to be technical, the one that follows) is that you find yourself liking Itachi...
*coughs* That aside... *laughingly* All right, all right. I concede the argument. The policemen are the secret elite of Konoha. :-P Or were. I wonder what happened to them after the massacre... certainly they haven't shown up in the manga, save in the flashbacks. And I'll point out that in Teamwork, when Team Seven did their little breakout act, they were dealing with the anbu.
...Although, given general attitudes towards Naruto and the appearance of a swarm of him wreaking general havoc, the police probably had their hands full putting that riot-control training to good use. :-P
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(Anonymous) 2006-04-10 03:02 am (UTC)(link)...I know. >.< Though I guess it's pretty hard to look like a complete and utter bastard while you're giving your little brother a piggyback ride. In a way, I think that's actually part of the brilliance of the whole betrayal dynamic itself--because it was SO unexpected and SO different from how Sasuke always seen his idolized big brother. No wonder the kid has attachment issues. ~.^
'...Although, given general attitudes towards Naruto and the appearance of a swarm of him wreaking general havoc, the police probably had their hands full putting that riot-control training to good use. :-P'
Well, that is true...and at the same time, I think there would have to be times when even the police force would need to back down and let the ANBU take the lead. Policing other ANBU, for example, kind of like you mentioned before--because really, the only ones who would be able to handle a rogue ANBU would be his or her compatriots. And I imagine that the attempted escape of the Kyuubi container, the Uchiha traitor, and the Girl-Who-Might-Be-Carrying-Demon-Spawn would probably rank on that list of extreme situations. Or who knows. Maybe the ANBU were simply closer. ^_^
--Attaya
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word. there's also (small)(/small), (big), b is for bold, i is for italics and u is, i think, for underlined. So long as you don't forget to close them, they should work. And & hearts ; without the spaces: ♥ I'm not sure you'd use it much, though. XDHeh. Sasuke as the unwitting Konoha police mascot.
*snerk* Indeed.
The police may be ninja, but... they'd have to be specially trained ninja. More knowledge of the laws, more adherence to regulations. Regular shinobi would NOT know how to control a riot/manage crowds, for one thing.
Agree to that ^__^ they'd have more specific training.
And they would have to deal extensively with civilians - the shinobi themselves are policed by the higher-ranking shinobi, as I understand it.
Hmm, on mission yes. But when a guy who happens to be a ninja gets into a screaming row with his neighbor, it's still the cops who are called. When a ninja gets drunk after a mission and all, still the cops. I don't think they deal only with civilians -- their job is to keep the peace in Konoha, and that includes everyone that lives there -- which is why I think they'd have to be strong.
Crowd control... what do you bet that the police are the ones in charge of evacuating and protecting civilians in case of invasion?
Ohh, that's an interesting idea. ^^
Wonder if Sasuke will ever take up his family's old role regarding the police force.
Probably. Being an ANBU or something like that might hurt him more than anything else. Besides he has a strong protective streak; I think he could be a good cop. Of course, he shouldn't go there only because that's what daddy was; he already has enough issues about that. ^^;
It just seems to me that police are probably looked down on by normal shinobi as being 'weaker,'
aha, really, really not sure about that. The police was full of Uchihas, and they were one of Konoha's strongest clans. Though people could have a "now that the Uchihas are dead, the police isn't as competent" attitude, I don't see them assuming that cops = weaker. It requires a slighty different mindset, for sure, but I don't see it as inherently looked down on by most other small clans. (now the Hyuuga, I'm not sure they'd have liked one of their branch people in there, if only because it was Uchiha territory... but that might have changed by now)
Besides, the police force would have been in total disarray at the time!
Oh hell yeah XD suddenly losing so many people at once outside of war, that must have thrown things rather badly for lots of people.
The 'resent the attempted betrayal' bit... um, actually, I have some thoughts on that, but... *pauses* *eyes the length of the response so far* ...umm, maybe I'll just put that up on my own journal, since it's largely my personal speculations on canon... ^^;
Ohh, please do. ^____^ So many people have so many different opinions. ♥
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I . . . wow, I'm not even sure where to begin. I liked that Team 7 didn't need words because they don't. Even if Sasuke was being emo, the others were there for him when he needed it the most.
Loved Sakura's father interrogating them like that. And being amused. And the Naruto-san thing.
Liked Ino pinching Naruto's ass. >:D
Can't think of anything else at the moment, will probably glomp you some more later though. ;)
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yeah, I miss Bastard-san too ;_; damn it, the cameo in the latest manga chapters wasn't enough.
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more comprehensive comment later. *rolls away to read*
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