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askerian ([personal profile] askerian) wrote2009-09-17 07:25 pm
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Naruto 464

Yay, it's up early!

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/464/01/


Mostly, it's the fandom taking both Sai and Madara at face value that surprises me.

I already ranted about Sai's thing, though it was more from a Sakura POV -- dude, he's the outsider who doesn't get it, he says himself he doesn't know what the promise was about and besides Sakura took back said promise TWICE now (when Naruto went four-tails and she yelled at him to forget it, that she would save sasuke on her own, and when she said next time they'd do it together.), Naruto is the one who insists on keeping the promise anyway. The "get Sasuke back!" obsession was tested by outsiders and enemies -- now it needs to be tested closer to home. That's all. I don't even hate Sai -- he's being himself, with limited emotional understanding (and most likely a wish he were Naruto's most important person too. jeeeaaaalouuuus. XD)

But Madara... WTF is with that "omg it's predetermined that Sasuke and Naruto would be enemies and that Sasuke would go evil and warlike! Madara = word of god!" reaction? Saro said it better than me:
Why are we trusting Madara's interpretations of this? Why are we assuming that Kishimoto wrote this and thought, "Fucking signed, bitches!" any more than he agreed with Neji when Neji talked about fate. I've seen more than one person who's essentially said that Madara talking about fate is undermining the previous theme, which is odd and seems to be working backward to me. This only makes sense if you really believe that Kishimoto is using Madara--the manipulative villain--as his mouth piece.

Seriously... Recently the Sasuke/Itachi fight + aftermath came out as a volume in French, so I've been reading it over. And you know what? Madara outright SAID what his goal was. He said that he couldn't stand the idea of the war ending and peace being built on all those people who died. He said he attacked Konoha repeatedly. He said he summoned the Kyuubi once, and pretends he didn't do it a second time even though Itachi says he did. He said he was butthurt over the Uchiha kicking him out, and even when Fugaku's generation "saw the light" and started wanting to fight Konoha again he still didn't forgive the Uchiha clan.

He set up the Akatsuki to keep the countries in a state of war, because that was advantageous to him. He kept prodding at Konoha when Konoha was settling into peace through superior firepower. Even when Tsunade and the Third tried to keep the peace, he kept kicking the anthill. He helped off the Uchihas, and when Itachi tried to give Sasuke some peace and to make him feel as if he'd done somethiung good Madara went and told him a truth he knew would break him and make him pick up the one-man vendetta.

And now he's saying there can't be peace between Senjuu and Uchiha, that there has never been and there never will be and it's just plain fate there would always be strife between them? Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy. The only reason there isn't peace is because he doesn't want it to be, and then he takes the result of his own actions as both proof he's right and excuse to keep doing them and pretends it's destiny.

The only time Madara ever tells the truth is when the truth would get him what he wants better, and even then he will still word it so that he looks good -- see his "what kind of man would sacrifice his little brother selfishly? so when they didn't respect that sacrifice I didn't want there to be peace", if that way of formulating it isn't calculated to tug at Sasuke's heartstrings I don't know what is -- see his "oh no, the FIRST time okay I did bring Kyuubi but the second time it was entirely accidental! Itachi just told you it wasn't so you'd stay away from me and never know the truth, (but you deserve the truth, you don't want to be coddled, huh? huh?)" He's a villain, why would people take everything he says at face value for a message straight from Kishimoto ?

Also, Naruto already punched the hell out of Neji's fate, so I don't see why he'd just accept the Uchiha/Senjuu fate. So he was a little ohnoes about it the first time he heard, so what? He cares more about Sasuke than about Neji and he's seen a lot more dark things since then, so his optimism is a little less blind -- doesn't mean his determination has weakened, too, probably the other way around. Like he's ever going to accept something like that as the way things are. It's a staple of the shounen genre that characters like Naruto make their own way and fuck destiny, and if there's only two bad choices handed to them then they'll come up with a third.

Sasuke will get redeemed. It's not even a question. All those obstacles piling up before them right now? They're not "that's it, end of the road." They're "fuck that, I didn't come so far just so stop halfway through." Of course the difficulty level of the obstacles has to rise to match the level of Naruto's power and determination, otherwise it would get too easy. :p

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464. (the first pages are going to be low in comments because, um. yeah.)

1: Raikage keeps being hardcore... Sasuke's atomic flowergan keeps being lolfugly... Hm. I'll be more interested in the actual attacks when it's animated and I can watch the prettypretty movements.

2: Enton Kagutsuchi ... oooo what does it do. *_*

3: SAND. I like Sasuke's surprised face. he needs to make them more often. So... Gaara keeps using sand pretty openly. So it wasn't all from Shuukaku then? >.>

4: Gaara looks so grown up. X3
Temari! X3333 Mai waifu.

5: I love how Temari and Kankuro combined her Kamaitachi attack with his puppet strings to pull the burning armor away. Flawless teamwork there. ... Also thanks to them Sasuke still doesn't have a confirmed kill to his name.
Gaara's "there's no need to lose your lives over this" to the samurai... either those specific samurai are very low level, or ninja are just inherently superior, or something. It sounded like it.
Bwahaha Suigetsu's "the fuck?" face.

6: Raikage keeps AngryBlackMan-ing every single line of dialogue he has. Oh well. He also has lazy black man and... rapping black man, and Karui ... there's some variety. Hm.
Cutting off his own arm! Haaaaardcore. it's like he barely notices the handicap he's taking for the rest of his life just so he can get at Sasuke. That or he's really fucking furious over his little brother being dead... yeeeah, that's probably it. XD If he kept sacrificing body parts in each fight things wouldn't go far. (i kinda hope when killerbee comes back all "lulz trolled ya, i wuz on vacation sry" he kicks him in the head for being such a retard. >__>)

7: Healing! That guy's useful. I wonder if he's stopping the blood loss or actually regrowing it, there was a spoiler he did that D: Weird that the black flames seemed to engulf so much, yet Raikage only lost up to half his forearm. hmm. Now he can totally put a hook on it! X3
Temari has droopy boobs. Damn you Kishimoto, draw her better. DX Her clothes would be pretty neat if you could stop drawing her anatomy like she's a broad guy with balloons stuck on.
Ohoo, Sasuke/Gaara plot thread picked back up! Prrrrrrt. I never thought they'd come into contact again, apart from through Naruto.

8: Blahblah flashbacks, blahblah I changed, proof you can change too!
"So... If I come back, what is there for me there?" ... NARUTO AND SAKURA AND KAKASHI. YOU FOOL. Ahh, i'm sad, some spoilers made it sound as if Sasuke wasn't aware that his team still wanted him back, and it would have been BWEE, but seeing it in the manga, it doesn't quite give me that impression. It's more that he won't find what he's looking for on an ideological and life goal point of view. ... hnnn. *sadsadsad*
It's funny how Gaara is totally Naruto's apostle now, and Temari and Kankuro are taking up the doubter, down to earth pessimistic side of things. It's like another Naruto&the rest of the Konoha 11 by proxy.

9: Gaara: *keeps trying*
Sasuke: *keeps being a stubborn asshole*
It's like he KNOWS there could be things worth living for, but he's on a suicide course and too proud to turn back now. Somewhere in there, he KNOWS -- "I have closed my eyes", he says. He's voluntarily blinding himself to it. nnh. ;_;
Temari is hotness.

10: Aw crying!Gaara. I didn't expect him so be so moved by sasuke of all people. Probably a mix of seeing himself in his place and thinking about how crushed Naruto will be. Come to think of it, it's probably mostly about Naruto. XD
So far Gaara doesn't seem to have any chakra-related handicap due to having shuukaku taken out. Huh.

11: Karin does something plot!related! Yay. I'm still a little bummed that she didn't fight at all, but then again she's not at Sui and Juugo's level and seeing how they ended up, she did the smart thing. Still, it bugged me that for a couple chapters she seemed to be doing nothing but hide. I'm glad she was still looking for their target even when it looked like Sasuke was going to lose.
Danzou keeps being Danzou. XD

12: sensor-types are more common than it looked compared how rare they were in the rest of the manga, huh. >__> I'm gonna assume there just happens to be a large concentration of 'em in here because they're more useful in such a situation.
... AW GAARA'S SAND SHIELD IS SURROUNDING HIS SIBLINGS TOO. X3333333
Sasuke smirk = prrrt.

13: "ranton laser circus". what.
..kankuro's doll looks kinda like sasori. o_o ...but then again Kishi's designs are, um. ...!!! *TURNS PAGE BWEE*

14-15: --IT IS SASORI'S OLD BODY. oh wow kankuro. wow. ♥♥♥
NANANANA-- FLOWERGAAAAAN

16: Yay! Creepy corpse-skeleton.
"My defense is more absolute than yours." ... hahaha Sasuke how old are you. Always have to be "more special", huh. XD

17: Why is chakra plural there?
Interesting. In that previous chapter there was a kind of shadow attached to Sasuke, Karin pointing out that she couldn't recognize him, and now once again "he's too cold" and "the power of darkness"... Huh. Makes me wonder if Madara did something, or if Sasuke did something to himself so that he's not really himself anymore, because when Karin notices several times he's acting/feeling unlike himself... huh. It reminds me of Sakura's reaction to curse seal influence!Sasuke in the Forest of Death.


I'll have to read over that arc once it's over, but there are some moments that make me uncomfortable -- not a problem with the manga itself, just the fact it hits my personal squick buttons. But I like this chapter a little more than the next, which was not a BAD chapter but just didn't engage me as much emotionally speaking.



I want to see Mizukage fight at some point. ;__;

[identity profile] snowdevil-crow.livejournal.com 2009-09-17 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
IDK why but I'm kind of scared that Sasuke might kill Gaara. ;_; That would suck so much.


And man, can I just say, I love reading your plot summaries. Almost more than the chapters themselves. :)

[identity profile] nemi-chan.livejournal.com 2009-09-17 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with pretty much everything you said. Gaara crying was Bwaaaaa *sniffle* for me.

Gaara being Naruto's apostle, so fuck yeah, which is why I like imagining them fucking, because, yeah.

Also, best thing ever in the chapter was Sasuke's "Oh Fuck" face. Really, he doesn't do it nearly as often enough. Ever since the beginning of the manga he's been thinking that he's more awesome than thou and getting owned. (Kakashi). Now at least he recognizes he could be in trouble.
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[personal profile] phantomshade 2009-09-17 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
...I've known that Kankuro was using Sasori's body as his new puppet for a few chapters now... I can almost picture Kankuro being all "Who's the Puppetmaster now, bitch?" :D


"So... If I come back, what is there for me there?" ... NARUTO AND SAKURA AND KAKASHI. YOU FOOL.

YAMATO, LET NARUTO OUT OF HIS MOKUCAGE AND LET HIM START GOING ALL WILL OF FIRE ON SASUKE ALREADY.

ALSO, WHERE THE HELL IS SAKURA AT KISHI? D<

[identity profile] pridefall.livejournal.com 2009-09-17 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN>

I want to read this manga again and I swear I wouldn't! I swore! Why must you make it sound so interesting?! *_*

[identity profile] ryouseiteki.livejournal.com 2009-09-17 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I still groan and facepalm when I see flowergan... >__<

But otherwise I thoroughly enjoyed this latest chapter. Oh Gaara. ;___;

*rolls on* College's a bitch but I still read all your posts and comments and recs that I haven't seen yet! /stalkervibes <3

[identity profile] garmiet.livejournal.com 2009-09-17 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
So... Gaara keeps using sand pretty openly. So it wasn't all from Shuukaku then? >.>

It could've started out that way. But the Sand is probably a part of Gaara and always will be.

Then again, there was the power used in it. Hmmm ... (*ponders*)


(i kinda hope when killerbee comes back all "lulz trolled ya, i wuz on vacation sry" he kicks him in the head for being such a retard. >__>)

LOL! XDDD


It's funny how Gaara is totally Naruto's apostle now ...

Lol to that too. ^^ Love it how Naruto picks up all these followers.


And I love everything you said on #9. Who knows? Maybe Sasuke enjoys being this way. Ah well, I still love 'im. ♥


Temari is hotness.

That she is indeed. :3


So far Gaara doesn't seem to have any chakra-related handicap due to having shuukaku taken out. Huh.

At the very least, he probably can't transform into Shukaku anymore. That's my guess. I wonder what else he can't do.


And Karin ... maybe she can't fight much. Okay, she beats up Suigetsu regularly, so she can a little, but probably not on the level of these guys. I get the feeling that she'd run when overpowered. She's elusive. Which is pretty darn useful. Hard to fight someone you can't get to. Unless you can literally teleport like Madara or something, and I'm still not sure how that works.


sensor-types are more common than it looked compared how rare they were in the rest of the manga, huh. >__> I'm gonna assume there just happens to be a large concentration of 'em in here because they're more useful in such a situation.

Could be. Everybody brought one. I still think Karin's a special case, though.


--IT IS SASORI'S OLD BODY. oh wow kankuro. wow. ♥♥♥

Holy freakin' hell, I hadn't noticed that! O.O (*too distracted by Sasuke and Gaara and Karin and Temari*)


Yay! Creepy corpse-skeleton.

I'm with you there! ^^


Interesting. In that previous chapter there was a kind of shadow attached to Sasuke, Karin pointing out that she couldn't recognize him, and now once again "he's too cold" and "the power of darkness"... Huh. Makes me wonder if Madara did something, or if Sasuke did something to himself so that he's not really himself anymore, because when Karin notices several times he's acting/feeling unlike himself... huh. It reminds me of Sakura's reaction to curse seal influence!Sasuke in the Forest of Death.

Another good point. Interesting. (Waah, I miss the Curse Seal...) ;_;


I want to see Mizukage fight at some point. ;__;

I'm curious about her, too.

[identity profile] pridefall.livejournal.com 2009-09-18 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
HM idk.


I stopped reading shortly after Hidan and Kakuzu died. And then you go and make it sound so INTERESTING. l3

[identity profile] akapiratequeen.livejournal.com 2009-09-18 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
I can almost picture Kankuro being all "Who's the Puppetmaster now, bitch?"

BWAH! So true.

[identity profile] rosalui.livejournal.com 2009-09-18 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
I got a totally different feel from Sasuke in this chapter. o.o After Gaara talked to him he felt less "I'm in a rage" and more "Yeah, I know everything's going to hell, and I feel hopeless, so I'm going to wreck shit until someone kills me."

It actually made me happy. Hopeless is easier to deal with that raging.

Also, if Sasuke kills Gaara, I will have to shoot something.

[identity profile] rosalui.livejournal.com 2009-09-18 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
PS - Glad to see Gaara can still kick ass with the sand. 8D But for some reason, I'm really, really wanting to see him do taijutsu.

GAARA DOING TAIJUTSU WOULD BE THE SEXIEST THING ON EARTH!!

[identity profile] rosalui.livejournal.com 2009-09-18 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
YES, on the Flowergan. It's just so.......GAY. XDDDD

Maybe that's really why Sasuke went nuts. "I killed my brother and all I got was this lousy Flowergan!"

[identity profile] book-people.livejournal.com 2009-09-18 03:39 am (UTC)(link)
I liked the chapter, to be sure, but...

Well. Okay. About Susuanoo. It wasn't covered in flames when Itachi used it, right? So here's what I'm thinking. Sasuke used Amaterasu as a defensive maneuver to, like, eat whatever was being thrown at him. Problem is, amaterasu eats everything, so he summoned susuanoo to block himself from the flames. Make sense? Alright, so if that's really what happened, Sasuke is using two extremely powerful, chakra-draining techniques at once, after being in a fight with a kage that he was losing. Meanwhile, another kage and his two (kickass) siblings have just shown up and are planning to fight him.

...Do you think maybe Gaara will offer to use a handicap or something? It's just, it doesn't seem like a very fair face-off. Sasuke can't possibly last more than a minute... >.>;; *thwaps him*

[identity profile] flourite-roses.livejournal.com 2009-09-18 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
I love your reviews. In case I haven't said, now I have. And I don't even watch or read Naruto anymore!

[identity profile] chyldea.livejournal.com 2009-09-18 07:58 am (UTC)(link)
Mmmm much love for this chapter. But the art was pretty... sloppy. D: Also, is it just me seeing things or did Kankuro suddenly become a cloud ninja on the bottom right panel of page 13? |D

[identity profile] akapiratequeen.livejournal.com 2009-09-18 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
"Yeah, I know everything's going to hell, and I feel hopeless, so I'm going to wreck shit until someone kills me."

That's the perfect description. He reminds me of a horse that's gotten out of the barn and jumped the fence, rampaged through the fields for awhile, and is now feeling kind of hungry ant "WTF, what do I do?"

[identity profile] maruiqi.livejournal.com 2009-09-18 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Pffft. You make such interesting points. The most profound thing I came up with while reading was that, with all the super ultra double sun plus good Uchiha techniques and tears of blood going on, Sasuke's eyesight is pretty much fucked.

He may need prescription lenses in future. :<

[identity profile] armina-skitty.livejournal.com 2009-09-21 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, maybe (99.99% likely) it's my Itachi's-Not-Dead denial speaking, but maybe when Itachi transferred his Magenkyou, he transferred part of himself as well? He did keel over right after, if I'm remembering correctly. So perhaps that's why Sasuke feels different, colder; there's a chunk of Itachi in him.

....
*STOMPS ON PLOT BUNNIES* Dammit! I don't do Naru fanfic anymore! Back you mind-chomping fiends! Back!

[identity profile] dragon695.livejournal.com 2009-10-02 10:35 am (UTC)(link)
As for #12, isn't that dude a Yamanaka? If so, it would make sense that he's a sensor type since chakara sensing would go hand-in-hand with their rather unique psionic abilities.