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sarolynne: ...I don't see it. :/ Not fat. His freaking whatever the hell it is around his waist isn't doing him any favors, but he didn't look fat to me. I think Kishimoto's anatomy in general can be a little all over the place. :p

askerian: hahaha sasuke with his flowy clothes dancing on oro's bed

askerian: his arms are too thin and his waist a little too thick, but mostly kishi isn't drawing the muscle definition right

askerian: as in, he doesn't have any ;_;

sarolynne: XD

askerian: go and study dragonball again, kishi, damn it ;;

sarolynne: I was going to say... oh god, don't. Dragon ball has muscles where muscles were never meant to be.

sarolynne: ..One word, not two. But the point remains. XD

askerian: *snerk*

askerian: that's dragonball z. XD the original one was much less with the muscly

askerian: NNNGH SASUKE SO HOT.

sarolynne: Ahhh. Well, that's most of what I've seen of Dragonball, so... I have no idea about the original. XD

askerian: heh

sarolynne: Ah well, I'm fine being alone in my corner, thinking that Sasuke didn't look that bad. I figured that he didn't have much on muscle definition because fifteen year olds generally don't. Either that, or my expectations for Kishimoto are happily low, and I was too happy squeeing. XD

askerian: LOL

askerian: oh god the glovethings *_*

sarolynne: *purrs*

askerian: it's mostly on the transformed picture that he looks wrong, cause on that getting nakie pic...ohyeeeah

sarolynne: XD Oh. In that case... eh. I figured it was just one more WTF thing about the level 2 thing. To go with the giant goblin hands, maybe.

askerian: XDD

sarolynne: Seriously, when you have giant, thick hands on your back? All bets are off. I have no idea how he's supposed to be able to fly with those. Apparently, no one bothered to point out to him how light and thin animal's wings tend to be. Or that you don't make airplanes out of cement.

sarolynne: ...Maybe that's why he's thicker. He wouldn't be able to stand with the wings, otherwise. He'd be crushed under their weight.

askerian: XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

askerian: yes, that's it u.u

askerian: woobie oro

askerian: scary

sarolynne: XD

sarolynne: I guess he deserved something to make up for being turned into Orochimaru the Most Phallic Thing Since Ever.

askerian: :3

sarolynne: I was a little confused how anyone could have energy to mock pudge with that in the chapter. I mean... snake rape just went to a whole new level. And he's threatening to take Sasuke's body again. Like that.

sarolynne: I may have laughed very, very hard.

askerian: mmmmhyes

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stripedpetunia's real-time reactions...

stripedpetunia: sasuke... is standing on oro's bed... and oro is like... 'give me your body'....

stripedpetunia: *brain melts*

stripedpetunia: he should have gone the hydra route. that'd be fucking hardcore

stripedpetunia: ...probably in more ways than one EW BRAIN STOP NOW NO

stripedpetunia: there is bleach in my closet, maybe I could use it

stripedpetunia: now sasuke is stripping. go team

stripedpetunia: mmm developed pectorals

stripedpetunia: ♥ timeskipness

stripedpetunia: I can perv on characters without feeling like a pedo

stripedpetunia: OH MAN I like that one moment in sasuke's transformation there where he looks like cruella deville XD

stripedpetunia: well, his hair totally does anyway

stripedpetunia: his wings are so gross. they're like... goose feet. with feathers on.

stripedpetunia: wow, way to ruin some perfectly good pwning with your goddamn childhood angst, orochimaru

stripedpetunia: THANKS FOR NOTHING, LOSER

Seriously. I'm a bit worried about the childhood flashbacks, because it might mean that Oro's going to die and Kishi is trying to rake up sympathy point for the snakewoobie because a longstanding villain shouldn't get to go byebye without the fight invoking SOME emotional reaction from the readers.

In the other hand, I LIKED Orochimaru as an ambitious, manipulating, megalomaniac psycho who just wasn't gonna die ever. Not sure how I'll feel if it was all a smokescreen for his desire to see mommy and daddy agaiiiiin. I'm hoping it was just the jumpstart of his personal obsession with not-dying, not the real, long-lasting reason.

Besides, it was good for Sasuke that he rebel against Orochimaru, as well as consistent with his character development (he DID leave behind all friends and his village when they couldn't teach him fast enough anymore, and he has this precedent to base his decision on, plus no emotional connection to Orochimaru to slow him down), but it's not gonna be good for him if he gets away with it, especially easily ('sides Oro is a sannin damn it, there should be NO easily anything). He's way too high on himself right now, and if Itachi bitchslaps him down again like this I'm a little scared he'll break. Again. But harder. ;__;

So I'm kinda hoping that either Kabuto will intervene or that Oro will go all RARRR NO CANNOT DIE NOW ~~HAVEN'T FOUND MOMMY YET~~ and pull out something totally desperate and angry out of his ass and pwn Sasuke out of rage and survival instinct.

And then I hope Sasuke will get possessed. Because the idea makes me all happy in my OW ANGST place. *_* Also because the threat was dangled under Naruto's nose for so long, it makes no sense if he doesn't get to save Sasuke from it. 'sides, if Sasuke manages to escape and then goes on traipsing around like an idiot on his own, where will he go? There was no setting up of another, even more badass villain he could learn from, and he's still not good enough for Itachi, not with that attitude and his teammates too far away to induce a good, hard paradigm shift. (though he could always go to Itachi, get pwned and then get picked up by Kabuto, brought back to Oro and possessed, I guess. XD)

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... what a fucking ego XD

I figure he's just talking trash. Should hit a few of Oro's nerves, especially the shot about Itachi being too damn scary for him.
Of course, I imagine Sasuke still looks up to his clan - after all, they died before he could a proper go at their imperfections. So maybe it's a little from column A, little from column B.

I like where this is going.

I think Sasuke takes after Fugaku, I remember him being stocky like that, although I am enjoying Sasuke shirtless more than i would have enjoyed Fugaku shirtles (ROFL, I now need to clean my brain from such an image).

I personally also want Orochimaru to bring him down a peg, and not die, noooo, he can't die just yet. I thought the flashback was OMG so cute and kinda sad. Yes, I wonder if he has not found his mommy, well, who knows, Kabuto might be mommy for all I know XD.

I thought when he took down his shirt was so samurai like, I have seen that move so many times, it was a super Japanese gesture, very old and proud. I thought that when he went to level 2, Sasuke looked like a jrocker and and I could say was "Malice Mizer" "visual kei". XD

I love Sasukins, it makes me happy to see him.

Sasuke taking after his father? No way. Do we have to get out the "guess which picture is Mikoto and which is Sasuke" board again? XDDD

Sasu-pants totally takes after his mom in the facial features. Itachi is more like Fugaku with his jawline and such.

I'm pretty certain that Orochimaru won't die in the next chapter, because it doesn't make sense for a Sannon fight to take less page time then an Akatsuki fight. I'm waiting for Kabuto to come back and bring the smackdown.

Gotta be more to Oro's ambition than waiting for his folks to come back. Why would he have any interest in Sasuke's eyes at all if all he really wants to do is stay alive? He definitely has more ambitions than that, even if his greatest fear is death.

Also....Orochimaru is officially RETARDED if he "saw this coming" and yet allowed Sasuke to become so strong and learn so many of his techniques that Sasuke is now on Oro's level. No, see, the smart thing to do in this situation is play make like that storytelling chick from 1001 Nights and leave Sasuke always wanting something, always leaving hints that there is still one more jutsu to learn, a little more power to gain. You NEVER allow yourself to appear as anything other than the brilliant teacher with loads more wisdom to impart. Conversely, no matter what you teach him, you always save the truly badass shit for yourself, just in case he does pull the very thing he's pulling now. You don't let the bitch get uppity unless you have one sure fire way to slap him back down.

Doesn't doing the happy dance equals SOME emotional reaction from the readers?

I dunno. I think the flashback was kinda another way for Kishi to go "LOOK! They're, like, totally the NEXT SANNIN!!!!!!!!!!11~!eleventy-one!" I mean, come on. Sasuke's looking for his last remaining family (to kill him, but still), Oro's looking for his mommy. OKAY! WE GET IT! MOVE ON, ALREADY!

There is a small part of me that wants possession, too, but only if it ends up actually being like all the other possessions in the series and not like "I'ma gonna kill Sasuke's soul and take over, kthnxbai" because there really isn't any coming back from that... My ow angst place is sort of hoping Sasuke's on such a power kick that he gets away (without killing Oro, of course), goes after Itachi now, and gets bitchslapped so hard his ears ring. Leave our boyo wondering what he gave up everything for if he still can't beat his big brother. >D

And now that I've left the comment from hell, I'll go. ^_^;

Adi

Mmh. Maybe his mom's face, his dad's build?

I would love for this fight to end in one of three ways:

1. Sasuke gets beaten down and possessed.
2. Kabuto comes back and helps Orochimaru beat down Sasuke.
3. Kabuto comes back and helps Sasuke beat down Orochimaru.

~~So what, I love Kabuto and he's gotta do something cool again. >.>~~

My personal perfect ending for Naruto (which will never happen in a million years) would to have Akatsuki start a war of doom before they get taken down. And in the midst of all of this destruction and death, Naruto and Sakura keep chasing after Sasuke, but in the end, Sasuke's been possessed, and Naruto and Sakura have no choice but to kill him. And then, once this war is over, Naruto becomes the Rokudaime and starts rebuilding what's left of Konoha. ~~And Kabuto either disappears or is killed, but only after he's revealed all his secrets. >\~~

Yes, I do like tragedies, why do you ask?

Oh yeah, he's saying it to rile up Orochimaru (mm psychological warfare), but there's a sense of him really believing what he says. It's the haughty looks. XD I'm pretty sure he's really buying into the hype, especially because he needs to believe they were so fucking special. Being an Uchiha is so tied into his self-worth. ♥

Mmh, me too. *_*

XD;;; I guess it must.

Hmm, dunno, even Sai is thick around the waist -- hell, even Ino and Kurenai are thick around the waist. I think it's just his drawing style that makes him unable to draw people with a marked waist. XD

Hahaha Kabuto his mommy. So THIS is their connection! XDDD

Oooh Samurai-like. *has shiny shiny thoughts* *___*

♥ yessss. ♥

it was good for Sasuke that he rebel against Orochimaru, as well as consistent with his character development

Hmm... actually, that brief Itachi-flashback has made me wonder if another possible reason for Sasuke's rebelling is the fact that he's begun to find Orochimaru's methods too similar to Itachi's. The flasback seemed to indicate that, to me. :) It would also be consistent with the basic premise of his development, since he allegedly vowed to reach Itachi's levels without stooping as low as Itachi's methodology. If Orochimaru is doing more or less the same thing, and he can learn nothing more from him... allowing him to transfer into his body would make Sasuke a bit too much like his brother. Maybe?

I can tell every time! ~~cause i've totally memorized those panels.~~

Itachi's a little more like Fugaku than Sasuke is, yeah, but they're still both over 70% Mikoto. XD Sasuke is like Mikoto's female version, except his hair spikes up instead of being pretty and lay flat.

Yeah. XD 'sides Kabuto's expression in that corridor... I'd be surprised if he didn't do anything at all.

Hee. ^^ yeah, it's not that likely, thank ~~god~~ kishi.

Hmm, not necessarily. If Sasuke hadn't been ambitious Orochimaru couldn't have tempted him. He was walking a dangerous line between offering enough to Sasuke that he would stay and not offering him too much. He took a gamble that Sasuke wouldn't progress faster than he could handle. Sasuke's smart, though, and he probably learned more at Oro's court than jutsus. He learned deceit, too, what with the fact that Orochimaru seemed to be fine with Sasuke's little "of course i'll let him use my body cause it's the only way" speech. Orochimaru was still suspicious that he was lying, but he must have done everything in his power to convince Sasuke, so that the possibility that Sasuke WAS convinced was very strong.

Besides, Sasuke was smart enough to hide his own experiments, so Orochimaru might very well have hidden the best jutsus away from him and kept only giving him crumbs, but since Sasuke used the bases he was still getting to build in his own direction, he progressed too fast anyway. I'm still thinking that Sasuke is acting very arrogant, because he has no way to tell if Orochimaru doesn't have an ace up his sleeve that he doesn't know about, and if Kishi follows his usual pattern, there will be several turnings of the tides and narrow misses in this fight before we see the end.

If Oro possesses him, I doubt Sasuke will really be erased from it, because Naruto needs to save him. Oh, it might happen over time since oro does say that he keeps bits and traces of the host's mind (that's hoping that Oro's obsession is stronger than Sasuke's because the end result might have more of Sasuke than Orochimaru in it XD) but if Naruto saves him fast enough we get to have the NOOO angst and he should still be himself when he gets out. XDD

♥

Man, you could probably write a book about how important being special is to Sasuke. I mean, look at his early upbringing, the Itachi trauma, his experiences at the academy, it's all there.
And, of course, what drives him off the edge is being told he isn't special, or least not special enough. How he reacts to Naruto's powerups is the main example of this, I think.

Kabuto helping Sasuke? Hee. If Kishi doesn't go that way I hope some fanfics will. It sounds shiny.

... ;_____________; *sobinates* noooooooooooo.

Nuuuhh. T_T that's likely enough. alas I like evilangst only as long as it ends well. *is a wuss*

*snerk* alas, every time I try to study it seriously, I think about his "more special" moment and I burst out laughing.

Yeah, you're special, Sasuke. You're a unique snowflake. Really. XD

Hee. Nice! That "oro's methods really are too alike itachi's" is definitely another factor. ^_________^ I'm not sure Sasuke would think that the soul transfer made Oro similar to Itachi, but there was plenty more that he could draw unfavorable comparisons to. Especially Oro's insistence that he start killing people he had no good reason to kill.

I made that connection too, and there's irony of a sort at work here. Though he despises Itachi and Orochimaru's respective goals, I think, mostly for the incredible selfishness - and killing your entire clan to test your capibilities/using anything and anyone in your mad quest for immortality definately count as selfish - he's doing much the same sort of thing in his own quest. He's abandoned his friends and village, he's dabbled in forbidden jutsu, and now he's killing his teacher ebcause he's learnt everything he could from him. The fact that said teacher wants to, in essence, kill him is entirely beside the point. :P

You could probably relate this quite easily to the extended genius/hardworker/anchor theme, and I think I will, whenever I get round to it. This definately deserves a write-up.

It probably won't end that way. It's marketed to 12-year-old boys, after all, and has all the earmarks of "shounen retard anime". Don't those always get happy endings after the Hero beats the crap out of everybody?

I got that impression from the flashback, too. I think that it is consistant with his character to rebel, for the reasons Asuka listed, but I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of it was driven by Orochimaru and Itachi starting to blend to much together in his mind.

Or, given the way he was denigrating himself as being 'weak' for going to Orochimaru in the first place and how much he seems to value the Uchiha, he might thinking that taking out Orochimaru is a good way to test himself to see if he's ready for Itachi--there were a couple small indications to that end, and he does have the advantage that Orochimaru can't kill him. Or even mutilate him. Either way, I think it's a fair guess that Sasuke's drawn some parallels between the two of them in his mind.

I wonder if it's just a mistranslation, or it really sounds as silly in japanese? Heh.

Yeah, but it's a matter of degree. Sasuke knows he's selfish, but in his opinion he's not a monster. Oro and Itachi are. therefore killing Orochimaru isn't bad enough to make Sasuke a monster too, it's more like services rendered to humanity. XD

But his relationship with Orochimaru is definitely about Sasuke trying to let go of most of his morality. And while he still won't kill innocents, and wouldn't use people who matter to him, he had to give something to get something. So he got power, and gave away most of his... I hesitate to say innocence, but he's definitely aware that he's dirtying himself by betraying people right and left, and entering a contract that he knew -- or could reasonably guess if he chose to think about it -- would end in someone's death (and he prrrobably didn't intent for it to be his own), even for his greater good/life mission/whatever. At least Orochimaru is a megalomaniac criminal, not an innocent in any way, shape or form, and Sasuke probably rationalizes it a little by telling himself that Oro would have pursued him if he had said no, so he might as well say yes and keep some measure of control over the events, and really Oro brought it on himself and Sasuke never gave him his allegiance anyway. (Notice the blatant lack of Sound headband -- Sasuke wasn't Orochimaru's man. He learned from him, but he wasn't his ninja. If he did missions for Oro it wa sprobably just as an exchange for more lessons or tests of his abilities or stuff like that, never presented as "do this job for me because i need it done and I'm your leader")

But he's not as dirty as he would be if he had killed Naruto and followed Itachi's advice. I'm kinda taking it as he knows he's stained, and not what he was, but at least he's still controlling how much, still keeping some essential, core part of himself safe. Because that's where his desire to see justice done is anchored.

Meanwhile he's excising everything else. Oh Sasuke T_T

You know, I always had a vague suspicion that Oro was missing his deceased mommy and daddy. Even if it wasn't the biggest motivation for all his Evil Deeds, I thought it was at least the starting point for his immortality-complex thing.

...I keep hearing Kabuto's voice saying, "I leave you alone for five minutes, and look what happens!" Poor Kabuto, having to act as a maid, nanny, doctor, spy, and evil assistant. XD

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