Blast, now you've gotten me curious. *goes hunting down the carnival scene* Ah, found it - Chapter 150, pg. 13-15, if you're curious.
All right, I stand corrected - although we've already established that, non-lethal or not, the fact of the matter is that Naruto was using it in a lethal manner.
The scolding issue, however, I'm still iffy on. Yes, I know that Kakashi does chide them both slightly, but he only mentions that SASUKE's attack could have killed - the fact that Naruto's could have as well is glossed over.
I suppose the point I was really getting at is not so much what is happening in the world of Naruto, as it is the manipulation of the reader/viewer. The fact that Sasuke could have killed Naruto is emphasized; the fact that Naruto could have killed Sasuke - and, in fact, was the first to pull out the super-powered attacks (Sasuke only starts Chidori when he sees Naruto prepping the Rasengan - whether or not he would have used Chidori anyway is rendered a moot point, because you don't know what's really going on in his head at that point) - is not mentioned.
Just a random thought on how our perception of the incident is getting manipulated. :-P
...Just as another random thought, I wonder how much Jiraiya actually did scold Naruto on the issue. Given that his first 'introduction' to Sasuke was the fight between Sasuke and Naruto - and his second was Kakashi more or less equating Sasuke to Orochimaru. Can we say 'bias'? Not that I don't think Jiraiya woud have stood for an irresponsible use of Rasengan - but he may have phrased it in terms of 'irresponsible use' rather than 'potentially killing your teammate.' I've no doubt that Jiraiya would LOVE a chance to shove a Rasengan down Orochimaru's throat, and given the strong possibility that he's projecting the situation of himself and Orochimaru onto Naruto and Sasuke... *shrugs* Meh, who knows. Just food for thought. I'm thinking with my fingers again. :-P
The guilt issue: yep, Naruto would have taken the realization that he could have killed his teammate like a kick in the gut, while Sasuke, whatever his internal reaction, would put an arrogant face on it. That analysis gets no argument from me. I suspect that it goes back to what I mentioned in that minefield of a post down below. *points* Sasuke has some psychological hang-ups on admitting to a failing. It's the negative side of the determined, once-I-say-I'll-do-something,-I'll-do-it attitude (which he and Naruto share; Naruto has just managed to avoid making the wrong promises thus far). Probably because, if he were to give in once, it would have an avalanche effect and his whole life would start to fall apart.
This is one kid with SERIOUS self-esteem/confidence issues. -_-
Oh, on the topic of manga and anime - I go with manga for anything plot/character related, and let the manga be the eyecandy. Just a personal rule of thumb. I know a little bit about how the business of making an anime works - both from exposure to the results, and from a class where various big names of the industry came in as guest speakers - and thus I'm a little too aware of the fact that plot/character continuity tends to be surprisingly low on the totem pole of priorities. It makes me distrustful of just about ANY anime adaptation of a manga - no matter HOW close people assure me it is.
Just a rule of thumb that I tend to follow - figured I should toss that out so that anyone who actually remembers this will have an idea of where I'm coming from. :-P
Re: We love mysteries...
All right, I stand corrected - although we've already established that, non-lethal or not, the fact of the matter is that Naruto was using it in a lethal manner.
The scolding issue, however, I'm still iffy on. Yes, I know that Kakashi does chide them both slightly, but he only mentions that SASUKE's attack could have killed - the fact that Naruto's could have as well is glossed over.
I suppose the point I was really getting at is not so much what is happening in the world of Naruto, as it is the manipulation of the reader/viewer. The fact that Sasuke could have killed Naruto is emphasized; the fact that Naruto could have killed Sasuke - and, in fact, was the first to pull out the super-powered attacks (Sasuke only starts Chidori when he sees Naruto prepping the Rasengan - whether or not he would have used Chidori anyway is rendered a moot point, because you don't know what's really going on in his head at that point) - is not mentioned.
Just a random thought on how our perception of the incident is getting manipulated. :-P
...Just as another random thought, I wonder how much Jiraiya actually did scold Naruto on the issue. Given that his first 'introduction' to Sasuke was the fight between Sasuke and Naruto - and his second was Kakashi more or less equating Sasuke to Orochimaru. Can we say 'bias'? Not that I don't think Jiraiya woud have stood for an irresponsible use of Rasengan - but he may have phrased it in terms of 'irresponsible use' rather than 'potentially killing your teammate.' I've no doubt that Jiraiya would LOVE a chance to shove a Rasengan down Orochimaru's throat, and given the strong possibility that he's projecting the situation of himself and Orochimaru onto Naruto and Sasuke... *shrugs* Meh, who knows. Just food for thought. I'm thinking with my fingers again. :-P
The guilt issue: yep, Naruto would have taken the realization that he could have killed his teammate like a kick in the gut, while Sasuke, whatever his internal reaction, would put an arrogant face on it. That analysis gets no argument from me. I suspect that it goes back to what I mentioned in that minefield of a post down below. *points* Sasuke has some psychological hang-ups on admitting to a failing. It's the negative side of the determined, once-I-say-I'll-do-something,-I'll-do-it attitude (which he and Naruto share; Naruto has just managed to avoid making the wrong promises thus far). Probably because, if he were to give in once, it would have an avalanche effect and his whole life would start to fall apart.
This is one kid with SERIOUS self-esteem/confidence issues. -_-
Oh, on the topic of manga and anime - I go with manga for anything plot/character related, and let the manga be the eyecandy. Just a personal rule of thumb. I know a little bit about how the business of making an anime works - both from exposure to the results, and from a class where various big names of the industry came in as guest speakers - and thus I'm a little too aware of the fact that plot/character continuity tends to be surprisingly low on the totem pole of priorities. It makes me distrustful of just about ANY anime adaptation of a manga - no matter HOW close people assure me it is.
Just a rule of thumb that I tend to follow - figured I should toss that out so that anyone who actually remembers this will have an idea of where I'm coming from. :-P